iona-digest Wednesday, May 12 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 024 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:05:52 -0400 From: "Roger W. Jones" Subject: Re: [iona] 5 second stand . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Well I don't think the real IONA would mind telling all these people about this commercial against God that we're all trying to put an end to, it was sent to me and I am passing it along to other Christians...it's a FREE call, that's all. Grafix/Roger out, hailing frequencies closed ---===:::><> Engage! "Roger W. Jones" Technical Illustrator NCI Information Systems 757-864-6271 fax: 757-864-6243 ------------------------------=====:::::::::><> Engaged! Psalm 33:3 \\<>< Drummer for Living Word Praise Band (on Roland TD-7 double bass rig) Join the AAA-AA ... American Association Against Acronymn Abuse Collector of Redlines, more valuable to me than gold pressed latinum! IBM stands for I Buy Mac...duh! Jean-Luc Picard "Insurrection", go see it! ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:40:20 -0400 From: Michael Phythian Subject: Re: [iona] 5 second stand . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Ignoring the remark about the real IONA - I'm not sure who the un-real on= e is. This list is for Iona fans - not all of whom are Christians and even thos= e who are (I hope) don't all follow the doctrine of Jerry Falwell. Mick ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:50:05 -0300 From: Bill Fogtman Subject: Re: [iona] 5 second stand . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 14:05 10/05/99 Mick wrote: > >Walter, > >What has this to do with Iona? > >Mick At 15:05 10/05/99 -0400, Roger wrote: > >Well I don't think the real IONA would mind telling all these people about >this commercial against God that we're all trying to put an end to, it was >sent to me and I am passing it along to other Christians...it's a FREE >call, that's all. I don't know, Roger, but I for one would like to believe that the real IONA would INDEED mind this, if they are at least TOLERANT (EVEN IF not totally ACCEPTING) of other people's religion, race, sex or sexual orientation, as I believe most Christians - myself included - to be. But in general, even though I have always been against the censorship or moderation of this or any other list I've been on, I really DO think that certain issues such as this SHOULD NOT be brought up. In the case of the IONA list, Roger, please remember that there are a good number of list members that ARE NOT NECESSARILY CHRISTIANS, but first and foremost true appreciators of IONA and their music. I would even go further to say that probably not ALL list members, CHRISTIANS or otherwise, will agree with your very IMPLICIT position in relation to sexual orientation, and that NEVERTHELESS all list members are DESERVING OF OUR RESPECT, independent of religion, race, sex or sexual orientation, etc. I have been mostly in lurk mode on this list since Nov. '97 when Walter instituted a list moderator, just as many list oldtimers have been, mostly from feeling that we had lost our freedom to speak as we believe on the list, on subjects relating in one manner or another to IONA. Admittedly in the past we have had many issues that have generated discord and abundant flames, but at no time do I remember anything of this offensive nature, and so "OFF-IONA". For this reason, as a Christian (I am Irish Roman Catholic), I feel compelled to come forward to say that I feel offended and ashamed by Roger's post, and the way in which it is assumed that ALL Christians should be militantly intolerant of any sexual deviance from the norm, as if this were undisputed doctrine to be blindly obeyed by ALL in "defense of God" (I suspect this may possibly be the case with Roger's church). Wars and holocausts have many times started from just such intolerance. I am sick and tired of watching one every night on the news lately, and knowing that there is little I can do to help. At least with this list I can try to set things on a more just path. So PLEASE, keep any manifestations of BIGOTRY, RACISM and GENERAL INTOLERANCE to yourself, and OFF THIS LIST!!! Sincerely, William O'Dwyer Fogtman (Bill in Brazil) PS: oh yeah, and just so there's no doubt, I've been happily married for 20 years now, and have 3 wonderful kids - so YES, I am "straight". Working in the film & entertainment business, my profession makes it mandatory that I work with many coleagues - not only actors, costume designers, makeup people and hairdressers - that are not heterosexual. I accept all as they are, and am proud to call many friends. Homosexualism is NOT A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE, so please don't treat it as one! ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:20:51 -0700 From: Nic Caciappo Subject: Re: [iona] 5 second stand . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Michael Phythian wrote: > Walter, > > What has this to do with Iona? > > Mick I for one am quite happy to have received it. Nic ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:13:20 -0400 From: "John DeLaurentis" Subject: Re: [iona] 5 second stand . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ > Michael Phythian wrote: > > > Walter, > > > > What has this to do with Iona? > > > > Mick > > I for one am quite happy to have received it. > > Nic Ditto. Now can we be tolerant of that? John D. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 02:53:40 -0400 From: ussgreen@worldpath.net Subject: [iona] intolerance? . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hello fellow Iona fans, I don't often comment- I lurk as Bill said he does. But I think his and others comments to Roger are way off the mark. Yes, the list is for Iona discussion so that is a good point but the remarks about Falwell and the ones about Roger being intolerant are both irrelevant and incorrect. Sin is still sin no matter how you slice it or package it media-wise and politically correct-wise. And if Christ and His 12 and His Word says so and Roger believes it, then that is to Roger's credit and NOT his shame. Sin doesn't corrupt a person or a nation overnight. It is a series of gradual steps to which even some of the elect succomb in thought or deed. Yes, Roger, stick to Iona, but keep the faith, brother. There are now and always have been plenty of people (even believers) who would appease the world and shut up those who would take a stand (calling them homophobic, intolerant, haters, the list goes on...) And they STILL don't get the idea that it IS possible to love the sinner while hating the sin. Jesus did it! ...... James Stuart ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:06:17 +0200 From: Walter Aresca Subject: Re: [iona] 5 second stand . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 14.05 10/05/99 -0400, you wrote: >Walter, >What has this to do with Iona? That message is completely off-topic here and under a moderated list shoudn't get through. Actually the list is unmoderated so any subscriber may post freely. I'm sorry for this. Roger, please respect the "rules"! - -- Walter Aresca mailto:musictus@musictus.com Webmaster @ musictus.com, gospel.it, gratis.it "I live 2 choose and I choose 2 live!" ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:20:15 +0100 (BST) From: James Stewart Subject: Re: [iona] intolerance? . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ > I don't often comment- I lurk as Bill said he does. But I think his and > others comments to Roger are way off the mark. Yes, the list is for Iona > discussion so that is a good point but the remarks about Falwell and the > ones about Roger being intolerant are both irrelevant and incorrect. Sin > is still sin no matter how you slice it or package it media-wise and > politically correct-wise. And if Christ and His 12 and His Word says so > and Roger believes it, then that is to Roger's credit and NOT his shame. > Sin doesn't corrupt a person or a nation overnight. It is a series of > gradual steps to which even some of the elect succomb in thought or > deed. Yes, Roger, stick to Iona, but keep the faith, brother. There are > now and always have been plenty of people (even believers) who would > appease the world and shut up those who would take a stand (calling them > homophobic, intolerant, haters, the list goes on...) And they STILL > don't get the idea that it IS possible to love the sinner while hating > the sin. Jesus did it! ...... James Stuart I thought Walter just said this was off topic? And if you want to discuss why your post shows a rather arrogant approach and a shallow interpretation of scripture, I'd be happy to discuss it privately. James. - -- James Stewart | The Britlinks | The Phantom Tollbooth james@britlinks.co.uk | http://www.britlinks.co.uk | http://www.tollbooth.org Sixpence None The Richer UK - http://www.britlinks.co.uk/sixpence/ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 05:25:23 -0700 From: Jason Savoie Subject: [iona] the new album . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Does anyone know when the new Iona album will be coming out? I need something else to listen to besides dc Talks' "Supernatural." :-) Jason ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:50:53 +0100 From: Johannes Ewalt Koch Subject: [iona] Lyrics . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi there, can anyone please send me the lyrics of the songs on Joanne=B4s solo CD? I as a german am not that familiar with english hymn books. tnx - --- Johannes Koch http://waldbaer.home.pages.de/ ILR (Institute of Aerospace Engineering) TU Berlin, GERMANY IRC-Nick: Waldbaer on #ixthys * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * In te, Domine, speravi; non confundar in aeternum. (from: Tedeum, 4th century) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:23:24 -0400 From: Michael Phythian Subject: [iona] the new album . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Well they're recording the concert at the end of this month, so that shouldn't be too long! Mick ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:32:41 PDT From: "MARCUS ELY" Subject: Re: [iona] 5 second stand . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I must concur with the following statement. I too feel this way and have been criticized myself for my outspoken stance on the "issue" coming from an extremely conservative (Southern Baptist) background. We need to be tolerant and respectful of all, regardless of our personal beliefs. Thank you "Bill in Brazil" for your stance. Marcus Ely >I don't know, Roger, but I for one would like to believe that the real IONA >would INDEED mind this, if they are at least TOLERANT (EVEN IF not totally >ACCEPTING) of other people's religion, race, sex or sexual orientation, as >I believe most Christians - myself included - to be. > >But in general, even though I have always been against the censorship or >moderation of this or any other list I've been on, I really DO think that >certain issues such as this SHOULD NOT be brought up. In the case of the >IONA list, Roger, please remember that there are a good number of list >members that ARE NOT NECESSARILY CHRISTIANS, but first and foremost true >appreciators of IONA and their music. > >I would even go further to say that probably not ALL list members, >CHRISTIANS or otherwise, will agree with your very IMPLICIT position in >relation to sexual orientation, and that NEVERTHELESS all list members are >DESERVING OF OUR RESPECT, independent of religion, race, sex or sexual >orientation, etc. > >I have been mostly in lurk mode on this list since Nov. '97 when Walter >instituted a list moderator, just as many list oldtimers have been, mostly >from feeling that we had lost our freedom to speak as we believe on the >list, on subjects relating in one manner or another to IONA. Admittedly in >the past we have had many issues that have generated discord and abundant >flames, but at no time do I remember anything of this offensive nature, and >so "OFF-IONA". For this reason, as a Christian (I am Irish Roman >Catholic), I feel compelled to come forward to say that I feel offended and >ashamed by Roger's post, and the way in which it is assumed that ALL >Christians should be militantly intolerant of any sexual deviance from the >norm, as if this were undisputed doctrine to be blindly obeyed by ALL in >"defense of God" (I suspect this may possibly be the case with Roger's >church). > >Wars and holocausts have many times started from just such intolerance. I >am sick and tired of watching one every night on the news lately, and >knowing that there is little I can do to help. At least with this list I >can try to set things on a more just path. So PLEASE, keep any >manifestations of BIGOTRY, RACISM and GENERAL INTOLERANCE to yourself, and >OFF THIS LIST!!! > >Sincerely, > >William O'Dwyer Fogtman >(Bill in Brazil) > >PS: oh yeah, and just so there's no doubt, I've been happily married for 20 >years now, and have 3 wonderful kids - so YES, I am "straight". Working in >the film & entertainment business, my profession makes it mandatory that I >work with many coleagues - not only actors, costume designers, makeup >people and hairdressers - that are not heterosexual. I accept all as they >are, and am proud to call many friends. Homosexualism is NOT A CONTAGIOUS >DISEASE, so please don't treat it as one! > >______________ >To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com >In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona >or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:25:15 -0700 From: Nic Caciappo Subject: Re: [iona] the new album . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Michael Phythian wrote: > > Well they're recording the concert at the end of this month, so that > shouldn't be too long! I'm glad they are recording the concert, because I can't be there. But if they release the concert before the next studio album that would make two releases in a row that are live concerts. I'm dying for new Iona studio album! Nic ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:58:58, -0500 From: BPMW82C@prodigy.com (MR DON E SMITH JR) Subject: Re: [iona] 5 second stand . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Well I say we make a pledge folks, I promise I will not have sex with any oriental religions to the tune of "Treasure". There problem solved!!! Thank you, Don Smith from New Jersey P.S. I see you hiding under your CBN work table, Bob Womack!! ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V1999 #24 **************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html