iona-digest Monday, February 1 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 008 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:18:08 +0000 From: Martin Dean Subject: Re: [iona] Publicising Iona . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 14:12 29/01/99 +0000, you wrote: >. _ _ _ >|(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com >You're assuming that Iona's primary purpose, as a band, is to preach the >gospel. But that isn't necessarily the case - maybe they just want to make >good music? I agree here, Iona are enjoyable by both Christians and non Christians. And as a non Christian I have never felt that Iona were trying to convert me (although if anybody could do it through music, then they are the only Christian band I have heard that has could do it). Please, no personnel e-mails about me being a non-Christian, I will a) ignore them and b) been through it many times with friends. I also have many secular friends who have heard Iona and have instantly become fans. I believe Iona's music doesn't just touch the Christian soul, but also reaches the human spirituality (in whatever form it takes) present in all of us. If it converts a few people to Christianity then great, no problem. But there music is much much more than that. >Anyway, how many other Christian groups have anything like Iona's >distribution in the secular market? Apart from the big-name rock/pop >artists such as Amy Grant, DC Talk and Delirious, there aren't very many. >Iona are doing pretty well as it is. Indeed, in the UK they are available in places like Virgin and HMV (although for some reason get placed in the folk section ???) And they have received good reviews (and appeared in the 50 best albums of the year) in Q magazine (the UK's biggest contemporary music magazine). They also play mainstream venues, with quite a large secular percentage in the audience. >Why are so many people so bothered about the fact that Iona aren't >international megastars? What's wrong with concentrating simply on being >good musicians and writing good songs? The music industry is dominated by >big business with an eye on the bottom line, not on artistic integrity and >musical quality. if Iona can be successful without playing the industry >games, then that's something to be admired, not criticised. > >Mark I also don't think they want to be megastars. I believe they want to be successful, and make a decent living, but there is no megalomaniac or demanded ego trips going on. For a band to be successful all it has to do is get a reasonable core audience, play gigs, produce albums and enjoy life. There are many bands who play similar venues to Iona and make a decent living from doing it. For band like Iona success is not linked to how big the venues are, but of the demand around the country (and Europe and the world) for them to play. Better to sell out 30 dates in 500-1000 seaters than half sell 4 dates in 5000 seaters. Iona are definitely a Christian influenced band, but many other bands came from the Christian roots and made it in the secular world (often, but sadly not always, without compromising their Christian roots). Martin "The Man In The Coat" Dean Cinema Engineer The Waiting Room webmaster: http://ds.dial.pipex.com/mdean/ The A-Z of Genesis songs: http://members.xoom.com/waitingroom/atoz/ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:18:07 +0000 From: Martin Dean Subject: Re: [iona] Hiding Away? . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >By the way I've seen Iona 30 times over the last 10 years and it has always >been clear to me that the main thing about playing live for the band is >simply the enjoyment of playing and sharing there music with the audience. >Infact the more the audience git into it the better the band play (Anyone >at the Reading gig in 97 will know what I mean). Whoops, miscounted it is only 20 shows. By the way does anyne out there have an recordings of the band live (not including HBS and the Iona video obviously :-) ? Martin "The Man In The Coat" Dean Cinema Engineer The Waiting Room webmaster: http://ds.dial.pipex.com/mdean/ The A-Z of Genesis songs: http://members.xoom.com/waitingroom/atoz/ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:36:48 EST From: RLongman1@aol.com Subject: [iona] Publicizing Iona . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ In a message dated 29/1/1999 3:16:22 PM, you wrote: <> True, there's more that can be done for a band that's on tour and always available for interviews seemingly 24 hours a day. But there's also a lot that can be done with a band that's not on tour, or not seen much on tour. Good publicists are always doing something, subtle and not-so-subtle, for their clients. Web things, news things, personality stuff, store stuff, targeted station stuff, etc.. I haven't seen those somethings happening here in the US, and I'm well-placed to see if it was. It's as if noone was 'working' them. Hence my complaint. I never said Iona are easy to market, just that the PR and label folks are not really giving it a try. Cheerio! Bob Longman programmer, WUSB-FM (http://www.wusb.org/) author, Spirithome.com (http://www.spirithome.com/) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:56:02 EST From: SEH41967@aol.com Subject: Re: [iona] I Stand Corrected... . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ to those interested, forefront records is the american label for Iona and for the upcoming Joanne solo album. thier site is at www.forefrontrecords.com . I don't know if the site has any info on Joanne's album but you might try under the artists page. I do get a newsletter from forefront and the scheduled release for Joanne is April 20th as previously stated by Brynn Welch. Looking forward to it!! Steve Heise ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:35:38 -0500 From: "John DeLaurentis" Subject: Re: [iona] Miscellaneous . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >I also see a lot of posts about Eden's bridge. I heard a interview/demo >tape of their about a year ago and felt that the whole project was a bit >contrived for me. It seemed "canned", if you know what I mean. Now, I only >heard them once and maybe I didn't give them much of a chance. I want some >feedback from other Iona fans as to their opinions. If this thread isn't >connected directly enough to Iona then disregard or answer me directly. Some Iona fans (like myself) like Eden's Bridge alot. Their Celtic Worship CD has some astonishing music on it. Terl also plays on it. If you listen to this CD, the words "contrived" or "canned" hardly seem appropriate. More to the fact is "beautiful" and "uplifting." Peace. John D. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:17:01 -0800 From: Dennis Reulbach Subject: Re: [iona] Miscellaneous . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi folks, John DeLaurentis wrote: > Some Iona fans (like myself) like Eden's Bridge alot. Their Celtic Worship > CD has some astonishing music on it. Terl also plays on it. If you listen to > this CD, the words "contrived" or "canned" hardly seem appropriate. More to > the fact is "beautiful" and "uplifting." I think I see both sides of the story regarding Eden's Bridge. If I'd never heard of Iona, I would love Eden's Bridge more. They are *not* "progressive music" like Iona, but more the style of Celtic folk music. People that buy them expecting them to sound like Iona will be disappointed. But if you want mellower Celtic music, they fit the bill nicely. I would compare Eden's Bridge better to, say, Celtic Expressions of Worship than to Iona. Any opinions? OK, let's play the "numbers" game. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would rate Iona a definite 10 (and so would most people on this list, I would venture to guess). I like many other Christian bands, but even my other favorites would only rank a 9. Eden's Bridge I would give perhaps a 7, and CEOW an 8. PLEASE these are only my opinions, and I reserve the right to change them daily! Other bands I would give a 10 to include Renaissance, King Crimson, Rush, Steely Dan, The Beatles. (Am I showing my age?) Any other "10"s people would recommend? Please reply offlist to mailto:reubach@nji.com and include "tens" in the subject line somewhere. Since everyone here loves Iona, I think maybe I can trust your opinions of good music. ;-) Yours in Christ, Dennis +++ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:58:02 -0800 From: Aaron J Edwards Subject: [iona] A ten huh? . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >OK, let's play the "numbers" game. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would >rate >Iona a definite 10 (and so would most people on this list, I would >venture to guess). I like many other Christian bands, but even my >other >favorites would only rank a 9. Eden's Bridge I would give perhaps a >7, >and CEOW an 8. PLEASE these are only my opinions, and I reserve the >right to change them daily! Other bands I would give a 10 to include >Renaissance, King Crimson, Rush, Steely Dan, The Beatles. Man, you are bold in giving anyone a 10 because 10 is the highest and score and is therefor perfect. In other words a band that is a 10 cannot be improved at all. I dunno, I'd give Iona about a 9.5 - ish. The only other's i can think of that would be higher than a 9.5 would be Charlie Peacock with about a 9.6. I would probably give some others such as Sixpence, U2, and the Innocence Mission about a 9.3. then again i am pretty darn nit-picky about music so bear that in mind. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:57:12 -0800 From: Aaron J Edwards Subject: Re: [iona] Miscellaneous . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >Some Iona fans (like myself) like Eden's Bridge alot. Their Celtic >Worship >CD has some astonishing music on it. Terl also plays on it. If you >listen to >this CD, the words "contrived" or "canned" hardly seem appropriate. >More to >the fact is "beautiful" and "uplifting." i guess it depends on who the listener is. I have never really liked Eden's bridge myself because to me they do seem rather "contrived" and almost a little "cliche'-ish." Mind you I am not ripping on anyone, i will say they have talent, but i think there is a lot of room for improvement. Anyway, that is my two cents and again I say that is my opinion and only my opinion. Quite frankly they can play better than I can. :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's much harder to believe than not to believe" - Flannery O'Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ < - Aaron J Edwards - clone316@juno.com -ICQ 15041909-http://members.tripod.com/~clone316 - > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:25:55 MET From: "Kotlarski J D" Subject: Re: [iona] Miscellaneous . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ The beatles a 10?! Are ye out of your mind, you're giving a ten to a band known for it's occult practices and in where the band-members attmitted doing occult stuff. The others i don't know, but i would never give a band a ten, even if it's christian. One in Christ, Jan. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:16:23 +0000 (GMT) From: James Stewart Subject: Re: [iona] Miscellaneous . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ On Mon 01 Feb, Kotlarski J D wrote: > The beatles a 10?! > Are ye out of your mind, you're giving a ten to a band known for it's > occult practices and in where the band-members attmitted doing > occult stuff. > The others i don't know, but i would never give a band a ten, even if > it's christian. The issue being discussed was not about the spiritual beliefs or practices of artists, but about their creativity, musical skill, ability to express themselves through that music, etc. I wouldn't give the Beatles a 10 either, but their beliefs are not a good reason to exclude them from that label. James. - -- James Stewart | The Britlinks | The Phantom Tollbooth james@britlinks.co.uk | http://www.britlinks.co.uk | http://www.tollbooth.org FreeState Festival -- http://www.britlinks.co.uk/freestate/ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:19:20 EST From: DBRDRCK@aol.com Subject: Re: [iona] Miscellaneous . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I've yet to find any group that I would rate a 10. To give anyone a 10 means you think they already accomplished all that they are able. I also agree with James with my ratings. I'm doing it not based on belief. Although no one on my list gets above a 9.0. these are groups that have shown creativeness, artistic talent and steady growth in their write and recording. Iona, Clannad, Beatles and Moody Blues. Denny dbrdrck@aol.com ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:58:02 -0800 From: Dennis Reulbach Subject: Re: [iona] Miscellaneous . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi everyone (again), Kotlarski J D wrote: > The beatles a 10?! > Are ye out of your mind, you're giving a ten to a band known for it's > occult practices and in where the band-members attmitted doing > occult stuff. > The others i don't know, but i would never give a band a ten, even if > it's christian. Didn't mean to stir up an off-topic debate *on the list* about what band is worthy of being a "10", the merits of giving out "10"s, etc. But I also realize (thanks to "ussgreen") that I misspelled my Email address when I asked for these responses to be sent to me directly, not to the Iona listserv group. Please direct any further discussion of "10"s directly to me, at the following address: mailto:reulbach@nji.com I would like to reply on-list to those who did post a reply on-list. Aaron and Jan both mentioned that they'd never assign any band a "10". In my opinion, "10" is not some unreachable number no one can ever reach (unless when Jesus returns He forms a band :) ). Otherwise it would just be a scale of 1 to 9. Rather, I think a "10" means "in the top 10 percent of all bands" (and a "1" is the bottom 10 percent). I guess I was thinking whole number, not fractions. Also Jan, your point is good about Christian vs. non-Christian bands. I believe James Stewart answered this one appropriately. I did originally distinguish between Christian/non-Christian in my original post, and the list which contained the Beatles was the latter. It was not my intention to rate bands' adherence to Christian standards - this is God's job, not mine - just their musical ability. I know this would be a fun topic, but out of respect for others who may not want to see 50 posts on other bands and such, please reply to me off list at the address above. I will post a single summary of results after, say, a week. Let me rephrase the question: what other bands would you consider in the "top ten percent" of all bands. An easy way to tell - how many of their CDs, records, or tapes have you purchased? mailto:reulbach@nji.com Peace in Christ, Dennis +++ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V1999 #8 *************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html