iona-digest Wednesday, January 27 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 004 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:25:16 -0800 From: Ron Lindeboom Subject: Re: [iona] The Unofficial Dutch Iona Website . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >Harold, >I must admit I don't understand the reason of another Iona website. Maybe >you can explain. Of course you are free to do what you want, but why you >never offered me to add your pages to the Musictus site? I made this >proposal to all list members many times ;-) >BTW please do not use this list to advertise what is to be cosidered a >"competing site" nor post other messages in Dutch. > >Thank you. > >-- Walter Aresca Musictus I don't mean to be rude, Walter, but you did the very same thing when Johan Versendaal and I had the first Iona site up back in 1995, 1996 and early 1997. And you used our list to "advertise" your site more than a few times - -- not to mention that you also took my articles and placed them on "your" site even after I asked people on the list publically not to. Only after publically denouncing you on the list did you pull them down... To quote you: "Maybe you can explain." Old timers here know that I had asked that my original work not be used because I was not happy with the fact that Iona had basically told us that "...we want nothing to do with the Internet." (Jason Savoie found the same thing out when he tried to do something to promote the band. (Have you noticed how they don't have a link to you and do not even acknowledge that there is a Iona listserv on the Net? Ever wonder why they *never* post here?)) But those are my feelings and even though I did not want my original work used -- as it took me many many hours to create -- I was more than happy to point to Jason's site and John Kreuz's "Big Music" site and others that were promoting Iona. We even linked to your site for Adrian Snell even though we probably had the larger Snell section ourselves in the original Iona site. But we wanted to support others trying to help Iona, Snell and Fitz. Me, I had offered John Kreuz the use of many of our pages to help him with his efforts to build North American access to the CDs but once I saw that you were censoring the list after you took it over, I didn't see that John was going to have much of a chance at success, so we dropped the idea... You never "offered" your pages to me or to Johan Versendaal when you started up your Iona site even though the earlier one had been up for over 18 months at the time. Me, I would think that the more Iona sites the merrier, as long as they point to your listserv as the place for discussions. When I ran the Iona listserv for the better part of its first two years online, I let everyone and anyone that wanted to discuss their Iona sites do so. What are you afraid of? Walter, a question for you: Are you doing this for the benefit of *Iona* or for *your* benefit? We linked to your site and hopefully helped you sell some Iona albums into Italy and the surrounding area even though we sold some of the CDs from time to time ourselves. But looking at your agenda, I notice that John Kreuz never posts anymore and I have a feeling it has to do with the "competing site" thing (to quote you). We never turned on the "censoring" (moderating) features on the first Iona listserv -- the only people that were ever unsubscribed were the ones that repeatedly refused to abide by the few list rules (and those rules never were designed to try to make our efforts the "sole" Iona online community, but were focused to honor the requests from the members of Iona to keep the list more reflective of the band's beliefs and style of presentation). For one, I doubt that my dissenting and appalled voice will make it onto the list but if it does, I am sure I will be "moderated" from any future discussion shortly thereafter. Regards, Ron Lindeboom http://www.wwug.com/iona former (Official, then Unofficial) Iona List administrator and webmaster 1995-1997 ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:35:03 -0800 From: Dennis Reulbach Subject: [iona] Latest Iona news . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi everyone, There is brand new news from the band Iona. To read it first-hand, visit the Official Iona website, at address: http://www.iona.uk.com/ and go to the "news" section. Here is a quick summary of the news: - - Mike Haughton (saxes, flute) is leaving the band Iona. (read Mike's letter at the website). - - They are not planning to look for a replacement for Mike, so Iona will be a 5-member band. - - Faulty copies of "The Eye of the Eagle," from the initial distribution, may be sent back for replacement. - - Some notes about the new album in progress, with mention that a track list appears in the latest "Friends of Iona" newsletter. - - An updated list of confirmed "gigs" for 1999. Please visit the site above for more details. Yours in Christ, Dennis +++ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:43:36 -0800 From: Nic Caciappo Subject: Re: [iona] The Unofficial Dutch Iona Website . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Ron Lindeboom wrote: > Ron Lindeboom > former (Official, then Unofficial) Iona List administrator and webmaster > 1995-1997 Ahhhhhhh, and those were the good days! Iona were playing, recording and releasing.... and Boomer had the website going and boy did I take it all for granted! Now, Iona is hardly doing anything, but meanwhile Eden's Bridge makes me happy...... Nic ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:07:15 +0100 From: Walter Aresca Subject: Re: [iona] The Unofficial Dutch Iona Website . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 18.25 25/01/99 -0800, Ron Lindeboom wrote: >I don't mean to be rude, Walter, but you did the very same thing when Johan >Versendaal and I had the first Iona site up back in 1995, 1996 and early >1997. And you used our list to "advertise" your site more than a few times >-- not to mention that you also took my articles and placed them on "your" >site even after I asked people on the list publically not to. Only after >publically denouncing you on the list did you pull them down... Ron, some explanations: 1. Ok I used your list, it's right. BUT your "list rules" didn't say at that time I coudn't do it. ;-) 2. Harold posted two messages, promoting his site, one of those in Dutch. On 14 Jan 1999, I wrote to the list "I'm going to move all CCM stuff from my website to the new domain name gospel.it in the coming weeks. I will rewrite most of the HTML code, so I expect to add stuff to the Iona pages too. If you own Iona-related material you think it's worth publishing on the web, or if you want to move from another web site to our for free, pplease contact me." Ok, my answer could have been different (my Sunday afternoon have been sad for other reasons) but that was my feeling that day. I appreciated Harold explanation and for me there's no more problem with him and his site. 3. It's not true that I copied your articles. I just had your Iona logo on my hard drive without knowing it was yours and after I put it on the web you asked me PERSONALLY to remove it. And that I did on the fly. >We even linked to your site for Adrian >Snell even though we probably had the larger Snell section ourselves in the >original Iona site. 4. At that time my A.S. site was the Official one as agreed with his personal management. >Me, I had offered John Kreuz the use of many of our pages to help him with >his efforts to build North American access to the CDs but once I saw that >you were censoring the list after you took it over, I didn't see that John >was going to have much of a chance at success, so we dropped the idea... 5. Who censored who? I NEVER censored one on-topic post. I spent HOURS in adjusting the posts not following the style rule (formatted text, long quotes, header and footer quotes etc..). Again, no one on the list got a message rejected! 6. I offered three times to John Kreuz a cooperation on the distribution side. He NEVER replyed. >You never "offered" your pages to me or to Johan Versendaal when you >started up your Iona site even though the earlier one had been up for over >18 months at the time. 7. This is false again. See my post on Wed, 03 Sep 1997 when I wrote: "Our Iona site is getting a shape. If you want to contribute please write to me personally." >Walter, a question for you: Are you doing this for the benefit of *Iona* or >for *your* benefit? 8. Good point. My I ask you then why you removed your site? >But looking at your agenda, I >notice that John Kreuz never posts anymore and I have a feeling it has to >do with the "competing site" thing (to quote you). 9. Wrong deduction. He is simply not posting. >We never turned on the "censoring" (moderating) features on the first Iona >listserv -- the only people that were ever unsubscribed were the ones that >repeatedly refused to abide by the few list rules (and those rules never >were designed to try to make our efforts the "sole" Iona online community, >but were focused to honor the requests from the members of Iona to keep the >list more reflective of the band's beliefs and style of presentation). 10. I sad already I never censored on-topic messages. As I don't like to distribute posts that quote 40 kb of a digest, just to say "I agree", I still think the moderate feature is great to let everybody understand the email basic guidelines. BTW, since for a few months, most posts are more or less "ok", the list is no longer moderated. >For one, I doubt that my dissenting and appalled voice will make it onto >the list but if it does, I am sure I will be "moderated" from any future >discussion shortly thereafter. 11. On this point I simply believe this discussion is "off-topic" as there's almost no benefit for the Iona list-members. I posted on the list as I tought it was right that everybody can hear my point of view. Therefore Ron or others, PLEASE DO NOT POST FOLLOW UP comments on the list but write personally. Thank you! - -- Walter Aresca mailto:musictus@musictus.com Musictus <>< Italian Gospel Music http://www.musictus.com/ Telecom Services http://www.worldxs.net/ Gratis - Free Stuff http://www.gratis.it ______________________________________random quote____________ La nostra vita parla talmente ad alta voce, tanto da soffocare qualunque parola pronunciata dalla nostra bocca. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:09:54 +0100 From: Frank Blades Subject: [iona] Re: iona-digest V1999 #3 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ What's the problem about having two Iona sites? I have found that many bands have more than one fan site - usually an official site, but sometimes numerous fansites. That's what the web is all about. Maybe it WAS unsubtle to promote it on a site run by the webmaster of the Real Iona site - but then again, it is relevant Iona news which is a lot more that a lot of the postings... BTW, what has happened to the second proposed UK date this spring - is that definitely cancelled. I went to the website someone posted up and found some christian promotors. Loads of imformation, but nothing about Iona at all... Still, see y'all for the London gig? cheers Frank IONA - the best Celtic Rock band in the world! - ---------------------- Frank Blades frank.blades@bristol.ac.uk ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:50:38 +0000 (GMT) From: James Stewart Subject: Re: [iona] Re: iona-digest V1999 #3 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ On Tue 26 Jan, Frank Blades wrote: > BTW, what has happened to the second proposed UK date this spring - is > that definitely cancelled. I went to the website someone posted up and > found some christian promotors. Loads of imformation, but nothing about > Iona at all... You probably mean my Britlinks site. There are a number of Iona articles in the news section and also a "band details" page on them. It would seem that the second proposed May gig is cancelled, but the gig at the Festival Hall is still on. I'll be there. James. - -- James Stewart | The Britlinks | The Phantom Tollbooth james@britlinks.co.uk | http://www.britlinks.co.uk | http://www.tollbooth.org FreeState Festival -- http://www.britlinks.co.uk/freestate/ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:27:22 -0800 From: "Charles Crossley, Jr." Subject: [iona] The Forthcoming Album . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ For those of us who don't get the "Friends Of Iona" newsletter, would someone share what it says about the new album? With Mike leaving, does that mean there won't be anymore flute or saxophone playing in future albums or concerts? I still have yet to see Iona in concert, but I really enjoy the flutes and saxophones on the albums. Charles Crossley, Jr. Oxnard, CA ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:14:56 EST From: ReasRod@aol.com Subject: Re: [iona] The Forthcoming Album . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ In a message dated 1/26/99 8:40:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, cvcjr@worldnet.att.net writes: << With Mike leaving, does that mean there won't be anymore flute or saxophone playing in future albums or concerts? I still have yet to see Iona in concert, but I really enjoy the flutes and saxophones on the albums. >> I, too, will really miss the addition of those instruments. Someone, please, say it isn't so!!! - -Janet ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:00:56 -0800 From: Nic Caciappo Subject: Re: [iona] The Forthcoming Album . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ReasRod@aol.com wrote: > I, too, will really miss the addition of those instruments. Someone, please, > say it isn't so!!! Just listening to the music today I wondered how they will reproduce those sounds of the wind instruments. Of course Troy will be able to do some of the wind bits, but the sax is an area that will be sorely missed. Perhaps Troy can do something on pipes in those areas. But then there is the possibility that Frank will pick up the fiddle! This will be a welcome addition to Iona. Iona was the first Irish group that I fell for. Later I learned to love traditional Irish music- my first love! Fiddle is an important part of my musical listening life! In fact, in the last year and a half I've learned to play bodhrán and play every week at our local Irish pub session. I am very happy that Iona have the ability to toss in a little fiddle! I'd rather have fiddle than sax anyday. I'm looking forward to the new Iona! Nic ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:33:58 EST From: ReasRod@aol.com Subject: Re: [iona] The Forthcoming Album . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ In a message dated 1/26/99 5:13:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, nicbeat@earthlink.net writes: << I am very happy that Iona have the ability to toss in a little fiddle! I'd rather have fiddle than sax anyday. I'm looking forward to the new Iona! >> I agree that adding the fiddle will be a great addition but I will sorely miss the sax. This is what made Iona just a little bit different than your average celtic band. Gave them a bit of a jazz feel. Sax? Fiddle? I don't know which I'd say I'd like more. Wish they could do both! - -Janet ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:54:07 EST From: MAdamCarl@aol.com Subject: Re: [iona] The Forthcoming Album . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I, too, am looking forward to the new Iona. It will be interesting to see what they do with the instruments they have. It will add a new dimension to their music . . . perhaps we shouldn't see Mike's leaving as a loss but rather an opportunity for the band to keep on experimenting and doing new things. Matt Carlson ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V1999 #4 *************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html