iona-digest Tuesday, December 1 1998 Volume 98 : Number 041 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:49:24 From: Tim Helmen Subject: Re: iona Iona trademark! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 11:16 PM 11/9/98 -0600, you wrote: > Well, I don't know how long the US group Iona has been together, but it >seems to me that not many bands that don't good stay together very long. >And, the date itself seems just a bit too convenient. Anyway, I doubt >that the US group could break the international copyright without a >lawsuit, and then their scheme would be exposed and they would fail. God >has a way of doing things like that. So, even though the US group might >succeed in fooling people at first by using the name Iona, they would be >exposed and might even be involved in a class action lawsuit. Pray for >their salvation and that God isn't too hard on them. > > Love, > > Bill > I don't think calling this a "Scheme" is helpful or accurate. This whole attitude is quite condescending towards the US Iona. Just because you or I have never heard them doesn't mean thery are no good. I've seen ads for them in Dirty Linen, a prominent f0lk and world music mag. Establishing first use is not a big deal if they have booking records, recordings, etc that date back that far. This could end up being an unfortunate hurdle for "our" Iona, but it is completely inappropriate to attribute evil motivation to the US Iona. They're just a band that's been playing Celtic music for a long time, they see another younger band using the same name, and they're moving to cover their own investment and name recognition, which is perfectly within their rights and doesn't mean they have any ill will towards "our" Iona. To suggest that God is out to get them is just plain wrong. Blessings, Tim Helmen thissong@pclink.com ON THE WEB AT http://www.pclink.com/thissong ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:48:41 +0100 (MET) From: Ruben Velez Alvarez Subject: iona lyrics . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi to everybody! Anybody could send me the lyrics from the album The Book of Kells my e-mail is rubenve@zape.aula.eis.uva.es Thanks in advantage. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:00:25 -0500 From: Michael Juengling Subject: iona Iona music equipment . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I remember seeing a list of the music instruments/equipment that Iona uses for performances. Does anyone know where I can find this again? I've looked on Iona's webpage but I think it was removed. I'm mostly intrested in what type of effects and gear their guitarist uses. Thanks! - -- Michael Juengling mikej@parrett.net http://www.parrett.net/~gilead/mk.htm ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:48:46 -0500 From: "McMillen, Mark" Subject: iona Bands named "Iona" . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I wouldn't be surprised to find there were a dozen bands playing Celtic music named "Iona". I know there is also a record company of the same name. The problem, if one exists, is that both our Iona and the other one have become somewhat well-known. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:20:58 EST From: SEH41967@aol.com Subject: iona Mundane radio . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi everyone in the Ionasphere, Last saturday I got to go to an open house at my local ccm radio station. It was pretty cool. My only complaint with ccm radio is how mundane the music really is. I know I'm not alone in that opinion here in the sphere, as many topics have revealed this. The radio station is WONU (Olivet Nazerene Univ.). They have a web site at WONU.fm They broadcast live audio all the time. My reason for writing is that while I was there I met the Music Director, the one who is responsible for making the play lists, and deciding who gets air play. Naturally I brought up our favorite band Iona and she had never heard of them. Shame on Forefront records!!! That brings up my current dillema. I told the Director of music that I would send her some e-mail with sound clips, and a short clip of Treasure the video. My problem is that I recently had to re-format my hard drive, and being the computor illiterate that I am I did not back up my folder that contained my prized posessions. : ( So I need help in my fight against the mundane on the radio, If anyone has any sound clips of Iona songs, or has that clip of the Treasure video, please send them to me directely. I am hoping to get some Iona air play. I will also e-mail Phil Barker, Iona's Bassist and Official web page designer, and maybe they can influence her also. Any way enough of this babbling, I hope to hear from some of you soon. Steve H. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:55:29 PST From: "John W. Thomas" Subject: iona U.S. copyright laws . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ It's interesting how God's leads subjects into our lives that suddenly have immediate application. Case-in-point: Iona. I was just reading in Musician magazine (which may only be a US magazine, I don't know) about how to copyright a band's name, logo, etc. The situation, as I understand, works this way: if a dispute arises over ownership of a copyrighted name, the favor in any given geographic area in the US goes to the group that has sold merchandise (or, in some cases, played shows) in that geographic region. If none of the parties in the dispute have sold merchandise in a given area (state, etc.), then the group seeking the copyright can gain sole access to those areas to sell under the copyrighted name in those areas. The problem for the US Iona arises as thus: to the best of my knowledge, they are fairly regional (Virgiania only) as to where they have played shows and sold merchandise. OUR Iona has had national distribution in the US through ForeFront records since 1990 (I think), which means they have been actively selling merchandise in ALL 50 states. This means that the very BEST the US Iona can hope for in a copyright dispute is the use of their name in Virginia (which is kind of a limiting factor if one wants to make any real money as a musician). It would therefore be MUCH more advantageous financially for the US Iona to find a unique name that they CAN copyright without problems and then let their mailing list know of their name change. They can dispense with having this confusion anymore, and they can prevent expensive lawsuits by record labels that have more money to do so than them. To the best of my knowledge, that's the skinny on the legal side. Love to all! - -John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:00:07 -0800 From: clone316@juno.com (Aaron J Edwards) Subject: iona Band equipment . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I have posted the list that someone requested concerning the list of band equipment. It is located at http://members.tripod.com/~clone316/iona.txt Please also do me the service of visiting my website at http://members.tripod.com/~clone316 I will only have the list up for 3 or 4 weeks and will promptly take it down if i am in violation of any copyright laws. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Impossible is a word humans use far too often." - Seven of Nine from Star Trek: Voyager ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ < - Aaron J Edwards - clone316@juno.com -ICQ 15041909 - > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:56:19 -0500 From: "Roger W. Jones" Subject: Re: iona U.S. copyright laws . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ How about "IONAVA" :o) Grafix/Roger <>< ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:52:00 +0100 From: "Eric Reynolds" Subject: iona Re: trademark . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ We had this discussion about trademarks on the last listserve, and I had posted info about it then. But since this issue has resurfaced, I shall again share my knowledge about intellectual property law (being a third year law student and having taken the intellectual property course). Those who have contributed so far are right abour U.S. trademark law. The rightful trademark owner is the one who used it first in commerce (albums, concerts, etc.). Registering the trademark with the federal government is good in that the courts, in case there's a dispute, will presume that the registered owner was the first one to use the mark. However, courts will look to more than just the registration to determine if the complaining party has any remedial rights, such as market sizes, geographic market concentration, album distribution, similarity of products - in this case, music styles, audience demographics, and the likelihood of confusion. Furthermore, due to the Paris Convention, U.S. courts have to respect the trademark laws of foreign countries (including England) and must give as much protection to foreign owners of trademarks as domestic owners. But all of this occurs only when someone draws up a lawsuit seeking relief for trademark infringement. We're assuming that the Virginia Iona will be suing our's sometime in the future. The question then becomes, can the Virginia Iona afford to bring suit against our Iona when the liklihood of success is questionable (considering all the factors listed above)? Nevertheless, someone needs to tell our Iona to take whatever measures are necessary to protect their trademark over there across the pond, if they haven't already. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:51:01 -0600 From: teddybear262@juno.com (William T Vines) Subject: Re: iona U.S. copyright laws . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Tim H. says: >I don't think calling this a "Scheme" is helpful or accurate. I say: Forgive me! I was reminded of the Japanese practice of copying american trademarks and registering them in Japan. I'm not sure why. As for this: >To suggest that God is out to get them is just plain wrong. Reading it again, I guess I was too loose with my words. And, angry, because I've seen too many copycats, but that's not your problem to deal with. And this is good to know: >They're just a band that's been playing Celtic music for a long time I had more or less assumed that they had started just recently, had broken up, or just not played together for a while. John T. said: > It would therefore be MUCH more advantageous financially for >the US Iona to find a unique name that they CAN copyright without >problems and then let their mailing list know of their name change. I had this very same idea. Something we've all forgotten is Jesus' command " If anyone demands your cloak (coat) give him your tunic (shirt) also."(I know it's not an exact quote). I've noticed that my pastor puts up with a lot of (mild expletive) from our church's neighbors. It may be that our Iona will change their name in order to avoid a conflict that might be a bad witness for those who don't know The Lord yet. Love, Bill ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:38:33 -0500 From: Anthony DeBarros Subject: iona Equipment . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I know this request just came and went, but I missed it ... Who has a link or copy of the Iona equipment list they can send me? Thank you kindly! Anthony ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:13:02 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: gill king Subject: iona Celtic Christmas . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I just bought the new Eden's Bridge CD 'Celtic Christmas' and was delighted to see that Terl plays on it - an assortment of instruments ranging from drums and cybals to 'metal dustbin filled with foam bits'!!! Gill ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:40:38 +0200 From: Vaughan Granier Subject: Re: iona Celtic Christmas . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 09:13 AM 98/11/23 +0000, you wrote: >I just bought the new Eden's Bridge CD 'Celtic Christmas' and was delighted= =20 >to see that Terl plays on it - an assortment of instruments ranging from=20 >drums and cybals to 'metal dustbin filled with foam bits'!!! >Gill I bought the first two (I think it was the first two) - Celtic Worship and Celtic Psalms - but I cannot find the other two on the net - can anyone help me? VAUGHAN Go lasa an ghl=F3ir D=E9 cos=E1n as do chuid am at=E1 caite chuig do thodhcha=ED, agus go raibh an t-am i l=E1thair gan sc=E1th i l=E1thair A =E1illeacht. May God's glory light a path from your Past into your Future, and may your Present be shadowless in the presence of His beauty. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:11:36 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: gill king Subject: Re: iona Celtic Christmas . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ They have it at Christian Book Distributors at http://www.chrbook.com/Christian/Books/search_browse_frame.html|tpxpdp7nwvb= vcni3vodgkstjabxeqncs32oisgmhvfghhol55u Gill On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:40:38 +0200 Vaughan Granier =20 wrote: > . _ _ _ > |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com > Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ > _______________ >=20 > At 09:13 AM 98/11/23 +0000, you wrote: >=20 > >I just bought the new Eden's Bridge CD 'Celtic Christmas' and was deligh= ted=20 > >to see that Terl plays on it - an assortment of instruments ranging from= =20 > >drums and cybals to 'metal dustbin filled with foam bits'!!! > >Gill >=20 > I bought the first two (I think it was the first two) - Celtic Worship an= d > Celtic Psalms - but I cannot find the other two on the net - can anyone > help me? >=20 >=20 > VAUGHAN > >=20 > Go lasa an ghl=F3ir D=E9 cos=E1n as do chuid am at=E1 caite chuig do > thodhcha=ED, agus go raibh an t-am i l=E1thair gan sc=E1th i l=E1thair A > =E1illeacht. >=20 > May God's glory light a path from your Past into your Future, and > may your Present be shadowless in the presence of His beauty. >=20 >=20 > ______________ > To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com > In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona > or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:51:14 +0100 From: Walter Aresca Subject: Re: iona Celtic Christmas . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 11.40 23/11/98 +0200, VAUGHAN wrote: >I bought the first two (I think it was the first two) - Celtic Worship and >Celtic Psalms - but I cannot find the other two on the net - can anyone >help me? Why don't you search Title="Celtic" on the Musictus' Shop? http://www.musictus.com/database - -- Walter Aresca mailto:musictus@musictus.com Musictus <>< Italian Gospel Music http://www.musictus.com/ Telecom Services http://www.worldxs.net/ Gratis - Free Stuff http://www.gratis.it ______________________________________random quote____________ Please be patient.... God isn't finished with me yet ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:20:25 +0100 From: "Edward Ramsden" Subject: iona Troy in Concert . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I went to the opening night of the "Spirit of the Tradition" tour last night, where Troy was playing alongside Maddy Prior. He was on excellent form as ever, playing pipes, whistles, Cittern and e-bow guitar. My only regret was that he only had a couple of solos on the pipes, but the whole evening was excellent, and I'll be going to see them again in London next week. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:20:24 +0100 From: Subject: RE: iona Celtic Christmas . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I bought 'Celtic Praise' and 'Celtic Christmas' back in October when I visited Vancouver. They were on sale back then in Christian music stores and should still be readily available. Of the two albums I much prefer 'Celtic Praise', probably because it has much more of an 'Iona feel' to it than its companion volume. From the details on these albums it looks very much as though Terl Bryant has joined Eden's Bridge on a permanent basis, since leaving Iona. He is listed as a group member, rather than as a guest musician. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:20:07 -0600 From: "Joe C. Grimes, Jr." Subject: iona Jo's Album? . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Anyone have any information about Jo's album? Thanks, Joe Grimes, Jr. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:13:19 -0600 From: "John D. Mills" Subject: iona Celtic praise . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ > I bought 'Celtic Praise' and 'Celtic Christmas' back in October when I > visited Vancouver. They were on sale back then in Christian music stores and > should still be readily available. Are these available in the US. If not, could you tell me how to obtain them from elsewhere. - ---------------------------------------------- John D. Mills john@studentlife.net Student Life, Inc. http://www.studentlife.net ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V98 #41 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html