iona-digest Tuesday, November 25 1997 Volume 97 : Number 035 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:00:48 +0000 From: Sian Subject: Re: iona Random thoughts on recent events . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 23:00 24/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Maybe this was a bit impolite to put in a message, but let's face >something. Iona is a Christian band for crying out loud!!! If you >can't stand the mention of God, then maybe you don't need to be here. This is such a typical 'evangelical' Christian attitude. And as such I reject it utterly. >How do you listen to Iona? Do you have some kind of special stereo this >filters out all the lyrics so you only hear the music instead? Let's >get real people!!! You are so missing the point. What we object to is the trivial christian jargon that flies about the list )and to be honest really does make me want to be very sick)and the insistence (implied or otherwise) that there is only one true interpretation of Iona songs. You can't tell me what to think a song means. It will mean something different for every person that listens to it. If anyone is using a filter to listen to Iona it's people like you - most of you daren't listen to anything that is vaguely non-christian (what the hell do you do about classical music or jazz I wonder).. That to me is not 'God's grace' - it's superstitious and a lack of basic intelligence. >Look, I don't want to make any enemies here. I want to make as many >friends as I can. If my remarks have offended anyone, then I am sorry >about that, but I stand by every word. If I am kicked off of this list >as a result, then so be it. So let me get this straight, you realise you will have offended people, you're sorry but you also don't want to retract the words that have caused offence. Go figure! Sian ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:34:58 +0100 From: musictus@musictus.com Subject: iona I need a moderator . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi Folks! Thanks for all messages you sent to my private E-mail! I read all your posts even if I did not reply to each of you. It seems like there are many different opinions, obviously. I just don't understand those saying they will unsubscribe if there will be less traffic... ;) I want to have a list where content is more important over the number of posts. This list is called Iona and need to be ONLY Iona centered. No questions, no discussions. Therefore I decided to change the policy of the list to a moderated one. All posts will be reviewed by the moderator and forwarded to the list only if the guidelines are respected. I'm obviously open to write a better guideline with your help. Any of you is interested to become the moderator? Yes, please contact me. Thank you. -- Walter Aresca mailto:musictus@musictus.com Musictus <>< Italian Gospel Music Piazza I Maggio, 1 I-14047 Mombercelli, Italy http://www.musictus.com/ ICQ# 1612620 _________________________________________random quote___________ See you at Asti-Gospel '97, the biggest Gospel Festival in Italy Dec, 20-21-22-23 - http://www.musictus.com/astigospel/ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:00:27 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: Frank Blades Subject: iona Re: Best Vocalist . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ > > > >>It is now official - Joanne Hogg IS the best female prog > > > >>vocalist. The recent UK-based (or is that -biased ) > > > >>Classic Rock Society's annual polls voted Joanne in as top > > > >>female vocalist. > > There's only one thing I don't like about the poll mentioned above. > They say Joanne is the best female *prog* vocalist. Are there any other > "prog" bands with a female vocalist?? Why not "best female vocalist" > period. That'd be my vote. Trying not to be biased ;-) -- and there > are a lot of good female vocalists, so this is a strong claim. Actually the "prog" was my addition. But seeing as how it was a poll of readers of the Classic Rock Society's magazine Wondrous Stories - which soley covers progressive rock, I think claiming that she is the "Bestest Vocalsit Ever" from that poll would be taking it too far! > Glad to see we can discuss other things than "how to discuss" (or > "disgust") on this listserv. I was tempted to make the subject of my > posting "WARNING - this mentions IONA (off topic)". ;-) Frank - ------------------------------------------------- Frank Blades avebury@geocities.com - -------------------------------------------------- Why not check out Alternate View, the UK Progressive Music Webzine at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6565 ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:15:25 -0600 From: "Kenneth" Subject: Re: iona I need a moderator . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi Walter, I am new to the list, but I understand both sides of this controversy. Still I would be happy to help you moderate the list if you need. I work a computer shop as a technician, so I have access to a computer on the net all day long, So if you need someone with access then I'm your man. Just let me know, you can contact me at kpri@hotmail.com or ComputerAccess@tyler.net during the day and kdpri@geocities.com at night. Look forward to hearing from you. Kenneth a.k.a. Olgey kdpri@geocities.com - -----Original Message----- From: musictus@musictus.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 4:34 AM Subject: iona I need a moderator >. _ _ _ >|(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com >Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ >_______________ > > >Hi Folks! > >Thanks for all messages you sent to my private E-mail! >I read all your posts even if I did not reply to each of you. > >It seems like there are many different opinions, obviously. I just don't >understand those saying they will unsubscribe if there will be less >traffic... ;) >I want to have a list where content is more important over the number of >posts. This list is called Iona and need to be ONLY Iona centered. No >questions, no discussions. Therefore I decided to change the policy of the >list to a moderated one. >All posts will be reviewed by the moderator and forwarded to the list only >if the guidelines are respected. I'm obviously open to write a better >guideline with your help. > >Any of you is interested to become the moderator? Yes, please contact me. > >Thank you. > > > -- Walter Aresca mailto:musictus@musictus.com > Musictus <>< Italian Gospel Music > Piazza I Maggio, 1 I-14047 Mombercelli, Italy > http://www.musictus.com/ ICQ# 1612620 >_________________________________________random quote___________ > >See you at Asti-Gospel '97, the biggest Gospel Festival in Italy >Dec, 20-21-22-23 - http://www.musictus.com/astigospel/ > ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:19:37 +0000 (GMT) From: James Stewart Subject: iona Top Fives . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Well I received 32 lists for this and have compiled them. I gave 5 points for being top of a list, through to one point for being fifth. Things are a little confused because some people made divisions between Christian/non-Christian artists, where I had two lists I chose the 'Christian music' list. If anybody wants to discuss these, e-mail me and I will organise some sort of discussion for those who were involved which can continue off-list. Anyway here are the results: 1st Place - 26 points Rich Mullins 2nd Place - 22 points Phil Keaggy 3rd Place - 14 points The Choir Delirious? 4th Place - 12 points JS Bach 5th Place - 9 points Michael Card Jars Of Clay Loreena McKennitt Mike Roe/77s Vigilantes Of Love 6th Place - 8 points Chris Eaton Fold Zandura Petra Michael W Smith 7th Place - 7 points Enya Handl King's X Out Of The Grey Adrian Snell 8th Place - 6 points Margaret Becker Bruce Cockburn Mark Heard/Ideola Jerusalem Rez Sixpence None The Richer Randy Stonehill 9th Place - 5 points Adam Again Alabaster Jar Eden's Bridge Idle Cure Jeff Johnson Johnson And Dunning Kitaro Lamb Smalltown Poets The Orange County Supertones 'Take 6' The Chieftains 10th Place - 4 points AD DeGarmo And Key DC Talk Echolyn Eden Burning First Call Don Francisco Peter Gabriel Kim Hill Sarah Jahn Koinonia Steve Morse Band/Dixie Degs Over The Rhine Stryper Steve Taylor Whiteheart 11th Place - 3 points After The Fire Susan Ashton Mary Black Bride Keith Emerson Dave Fitzgerald Guardian Hoi Polloi Twila Paris Runrig John Michael Talbot World Wide Message Tribe 12th Place - 2 points Acapella Argyle Park Big Tent Revival Caedmon's Call Steve Camp Chicago Symphony Orchestra John Elefante Larry Gatlin Kansas Living Sacrifice Sarah Mclachlan Newsboys Nightnoise Charlie Peacock Kevin Prosch The Church of the Holy Cross (Episcopal) Praise Team The Crossing Matthew Ward Bob Wills Wolfstone 13th Place - 1 point Carolyn Arends Bloodgood Fleming And John Infopop Mentions Hildegard Von Bingen (with Richard Souther), Synaxis, Seawind, Yes, Dream Theater, Chick Corea (w/ anybody), Level 42, Tower of Power, Jean Luc Ponty (incl. Mahavishnu Orchestra), Bruce Hornsby, Rush, Spyro Gyra, The Allman Brothers Band, Rebecca St. James, Greg Long, Russ Taff, Matthew Ward, Rick Cua, Rick Wakeman, Shelter, Solti, Larry Norman, Keith Green, Metallica, Yes, Jethro Tull, Moody Blues, Camel, Renaissance, White Cross, Vineyard, Rhema Band - -- James Stewart - james.stewart@charis.co.uk The Britlinks http://www.jesusfreak.com/britlinks/ The Phantom Tollbooth (Associate Editor) http://www.tollbooth.org - -- 'The days they rattle past me, like a tunnel round a train/Landscapes and heartaches, I don't know what I feel/All I know is my condition is worse than I can tell/The small talk and the slow burn and I just wanna get healed' - Mark Heard ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:30:29 -0500 From: Pedro Araujo Subject: Re: iona Heaven's Bright Sun . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ - --------------26C8673AC164A2BD636B1552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > . I think they are Uilleann pipes because I've never had anyone with > me while listening to point and say, "that's what they sound like." > It sort of sounds like focused bagpipes, as best as I could describe > it. Anyway, whatever the instrument, the sound and the melody drive > fanastically through the rhythms, prompting my imagination to soar > with it, and then as the electric guitar cuts a counterpoint across > the solo, I'm just smiling, enjoying this enriching sound. Charles, you're right, the instrument is the uillean pipe, which is featured in many Iona compositions. One that really strikes me in the HBS is Flight of The Wild Goose, which has a different arrangement than the original (from Iona's first recording). Pedro Collusso Orlando-FL P.S. It's good to see that we are again talking about Iona's music in this list... - --------------26C8673AC164A2BD636B1552 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
.  I think they are Uilleann pipes because I've never had anyone with me while listening to point and say, "that's what they sound like."  It sort of sounds like focused bagpipes, as best as I could describe it.  Anyway, whatever the instrument, the sound and the melody drive fanastically through the rhythms, prompting my imagination to soar with it, and then as the electric guitar cuts a counterpoint across the solo, I'm just smiling, enjoying this enriching sound. 
Charles, you're right, the instrument is the uillean pipe, which is featured in many Iona compositions. One that really strikes me in the HBS is Flight of The Wild Goose, which has a different arrangement than the original (from Iona's first recording).

Pedro Collusso
Orlando-FL

P.S. It's good to see that we are again talking about Iona's music in this list... - --------------26C8673AC164A2BD636B1552-- ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:12:27 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona Random thoughts on recent events . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Sian, Most of the classical writers were Christians ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:49:18 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona Heaven's Bright Sun . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Charles & Pedro, When I saw Troy play those Uilleann Pipes this year at Va. Beach I was totally mesmerized. The first time I saw any was during "Riverdance" on PBS, then I got into IONA and have loved them ever since. But seeing them played "live" is a real treat! You can sense the anointing! Be blessed, Roger J. ><> ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:18:28 -0500 From: "Brian O'Sullivan" Subject: Re: iona Heaven's Bright Sun . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >The first three chords are so fortissimo, I wondered why they played them so >loudly. Now I understand that those introductory chords, along with the various >chimes and gongs, cast a sonic imagery of heaven's bright Sun... I had a similar experience with the track "Heaven's Bright Sun"... it took a long time to grow on me. At first I didn't really get into the rather fluid intro, although I thought the opening chords were cool: D-flatMaj7/E-flat, Bmaj7/G#, Gmaj7/C is the closest rendering I've come up with. Very interesting harmony, making a powerful statement, grabbing your attention. It took me a while to realize it, but the same chord progression repeats when the driving drum beat enters! The uillean pipe melody is just awesome. I can play the melody on the piano, and have been trying to figure it out on a 'C' tin-whistle. Anyone have any pointers? This piece came off so well when I saw Iona in concert this summer. Joanne said that HBS had become a "focal piece" for the band. One of my favorites, along with Bi-Se, pt2, FOTWG, ...wait, we just had this survey! :-) - ---------------------------------------------------- Brian O'Sullivan brianos@ziplink.net Columbia, MD http://www.ziplink.net/~brianos ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:25:19 -0000 From: "Nainby, Andrew" Subject: RE: iona Random thoughts on recent events . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ "Most of the classical writers were Christians" Really? You mean people like Mozart (general debauchee), Tchaikovsky (homosexual), Wagner (racist), and all the other drunkards and womanisers whose offences I cannot recall. In fact many classical composers' lifestyles would offend many Christians. Does that mean their music is offensive and unacceptable? Is it dishonoring to listen to the Symphonie Pathetique or Eine Kleine Nacht Musik? Just curious 8-) Andrew Nainby ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:43:20 -0700 From: TGaulde@mail.pnm.com Subject: iona Iona list and phil Keaggy . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I'll never forget the day I got to meet Phil Keaggy. (Hang with me - this is Iona related) Phil and his band was coming to play at our church and they were getting in late, so they had asked a few people to have food ready for the band. I have a favorite dish that I prepared for the band and was there to serve it to them and eat with them. At that time, Keaggy had been my mentor for many, many years and I was so excited to get to meet him and talk about his music and song writting and equipment and so many other things. As we began to talk, a guy showed up and joined in the conversation. Only, he wasn't letting Keaggy talk at all, he was stealing the conversation and talking about his travels and opinions on a bunch of wierd stuff. It was driving me crazy. This guy hadn't even brought any food, but he was eating the bands food and acting crazy and drawing a lot of attention to himself. A few of us tried to get the conversation redirected to the band, but one by one, they couldn't deal with this guy any longer and they left, and with it, my hopes of spending time with and gaining knowledge from my favorite musician. My point? Regina, and anyone else who is upset, please don't leave! We need you to help keep information about IONA circulated to the rest of us who want to hear about IONA and who know to take personal issues offline. I'm afraid in any forum, there will always be a lot of conversation other than what the forum is really about. I admit to chasing a few rabbits in the past myself. I suspose it would be great if we all had two forums, one just for IONA and another just for general discussion and fellowship loosly based on Iona and music. But for now, Walter is paying for this list and wants it to be an Iona discussion list. I'm afraid there will always be people who want to get stuff off their chest and talk off topic, who know's, maybe they are just having a bad day. We don't need to respond to these off topic discussions. I would encourage us to talk about Iona at such times and shift the momentum away from the negative. We have been through tough times before on this list and it has come back. I have really enjoyed many of the topics of late. It has been really interesting to see all the music that touches people who all have Iona at the top of their list, and what diversity of taste beneath Iona. It was really interesting to read about the different songs of Iona that have the Chapman stick on them - I wouldn't have known save for this list. And then there is Regina - always faithful to drop a note and tell us about an Iona related article on the Net or in a magazine. Don't leave Regina, we need you! Tim in New Mexico ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:13:44 EST From: jamacare@juno.com (Jeffrey A Macare) Subject: iona Re: Christian Music . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Samuel, I've been in your shoes. I believe there can be a balance. But when your convictions are stong, it's difficult to receive other ideas. Just in case you hadn't noticed ( which you very well might have), a number of "Non-Christian" artists are involved with the IONA projects, but I don't see there involvement muting the spirit of the music in any way. Actually, I see there involvement as a doorway or witness to others that we "Christians" are not exclusive but inclusive, as the Gospel sets forth in example. UTM jam ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:13:44 EST From: jamacare@juno.com (Jeffrey A Macare) Subject: iona Re: Christian Music . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Groetjes Hans, I am not fully dutch, but my father is. I could read most of your post but then as I found the english part,,, I'm not quite sure I understand what you ment by < where people will "be kept in theit own values" regardless of their thoughts and opinions.> Help me to understand this please. UTM jam ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:13:44 EST From: jamacare@juno.com (Jeffrey A Macare) Subject: Re: iona Heaven's Bright Sun . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Charles, The first time I heard it ( Heavens bright sun ) I was nearly asleep, I jumped about three feet off of my bed!! What a brilliant, epic piece. I had longed for so long to find a band like IONA after having been raised on RUSH, YES, GENESIS and the like. I'm just waiting for the 4 song double studio album entitiled " Tales from Mount Zion" . UTM jam ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #35 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html