iona-digest Tuesday, November 25 1997 Volume 97 : Number 034 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) From: "C. Curtis Engel" Subject: Re: iona I am wondering... . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ My replies to snippets from the latest thread (a bit long)... Vaughan Granier wrote: >I have seen a lot of posts entitled "Warning this mentions God" or other >such comments in the subject line. > >I have been thinking, and I was just wondering - Why are we doing that? I'm sure the most significant reason is that hitting the "reply" button without changing the subject line is a lot easier than composing a new one. I think we're reading too much into this. Then Laura wrote: >I can't help but agree with your comments about "Warning, this includes God" >thing; it does seem a little childish. If people are intentionally typing "warning--God content" repeatedly, then I agree that it may be a bit childish. However, if their subject lines say "warning--God content" simply because they are lazy, that is a far lesser offense. (I wish laziness were *my* only vice!) Also, don't ignore the fact that there's a good reason for inluding the same subject line--it allows readers to quickly identify messages in the same thread (and delete them without reading them first, if they prefer). Vaughan continued... >I know the reason is that some non-Christians seem to be offended by [list] >content that refers exclusively/explicitly to God, and not always directly >to Iona I also agree that with this, but I don't understand the cause behind it. People are on this list because they like Iona, yet they are offended by Christians talking about their God. ***Why aren't they offended when Iona sings about the same God?*** Do they just ignore the lyrics because they like the instrumentals so much? (I'm not being sarcastic; this is a serious question. I'm really puzzled.) Note that I agree that messages on this list should not be unrelated to Iona, whether they are "religious" or not. Richard Stringer wrote: >As the person who posted the original *warning this mentions God* it has >been interesting to see some of the resonses....( the original idea >of the warning was me trying to be clever , I obviously failed there !). Although the original subject line may have been a bit on the sarcastic side, I don't think Richard failed in trying to be clever. However, it may have not seemed so clever after the 20th time someone hit the "reply" button without composing a new subject line. Something that was vaguely sarcastic once grows more and more offensive each time it is repeated, but Richard had no control over the repetition. Benedict Poole wrote: >Time to go I think--at least for now. Certain elements of the list have >been getting pretty childish of late, and no-one needs that. Take the >squabbles off the digest....See you all later I don't really see these discussions as "childish squabbles." These are serious discussions that revolve around "core" issues: 1. What is the purpose of this list? 2. How do non-Christians perceive NON-evangelistic communication from Christians? (Something Christians should be mindful of if they are ever to evangelize.) Benedict Poole continued: >all this rubbish > about only listening to Christian music is pretty strong, and offends some > people's sensibilities (mine included) Benedict's offended sensibilities may be reason enough to leave this list, but I hope he's not implying that people who choose to listen only to one kind of music should change to become more "open-minded." In fact, although I choose to listen to a wide variety of Christian and non- (but not anti-) Christian musicians, I recognize that others may find that listening to non-Christian music encourages (for them) non-desireable thought patterns and attitudes. I find it HONORABLE that they avoid things which may cause them to stumble. This is why I love Iona so much--they enrich and expand both my aesthetic taste, and my understanding of Truth. >From my viewpoint, the reason I listen to Iona is (not necessarily in order): 1. To appreciate it aesthetically 2. To hear revelation of truth 3. To consider, meditate on, and apply the revealed truth in my life Therefore, if I carry on a discussion about Iona in which I talk about how great the music is aesthetically, but don't talk about the truth revealed and how I apply it, the discussion is incomplete. In fact, if I walked up to an Iona band member and said "I really appreciate your music aesthetically," I think they would have good reason to be offended on some level, because I have disregarded as irrelevant one of the (if not THE) most important aspects of their music--the truth revealed through it. Please send non-Iona-related replies to . DISCLAIMERS: 1. I subscribe to the digest format, so the posts I've read are only as recent as the last digest (V97 #33). 2. The intent of this post is not to offend, but rather to add some relevant thoughts to a relevant subject. C. Curtis Engel http://www.open.org/curtis/ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:34:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jilliemae@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Common Sense . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >From where I sit this Lord's Day (the feast of Christ the King) I can see the leaves being scattered down the street by a gentle wind. Occasionally the sound of an burr oak acorn bouncing onto our roof from the tree makes me cringe. (They are so large, we call them "oak balls!") The holly berries are brightening up nicely on our bush in front and in about four weeks they'll be just lovely for Christmas. The Thanksgiving season is on my mind and I feel a sense of well-being, especially since I played well this morning, the Bach intro. at the beginning of Rich Mullin's piece, Sing Your Praise to the Lord. I could say that one of the discs with music from Heaven's Bright Sun is playing on the stereo, but I'd be lying. The Cowboys are playing the Packers, we live in Dallas, and my husband is home! (Get the picture? ;) All is not well in cyber-space with the recent turn the postings to the Iona listserver have taken. Could I make a few suggestions, as someone who's been on for over a year now? (Either musictus.com or netus.com) 1. There is the delete button. You don't have to read the message or keep it. 2. Don't respond without thinking, i.e. think before you "speak." Wait awhile. 3. If it's controverisial or "heavy" and you are given to praying (as most of us are) pray first before you compose your post. 4. Would the band members of Iona be interested in your post? Does it fit Walter's criteria found at the website or when you first subscribed. 5. Be charitable and considerate in your comments or criticism. 6. If it were in the "real world" is it something you would discuss with a group of people, or just one individual? If just one person, then reply to just one person! 7. Use common sense! :) In closing, I liked what my brother in Estonia had to say. (Schoenen gruss zu Hause, Hubert!) God bless ya'll . . . Jill in Dallas PS There will be no AOL Iona chat in Lindisfarne this week as it's an American holiday and most of us will be busy with family and feasting! See some on you on Thursday the 4th of December. :) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:07:24 -0700 From: TGaulde@mail.pnm.com Subject: iona something positive about the sabbatical . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ > >>It is now official - Joanne Hogg IS the best female prog > >>vocalist. The recent UK-based (or is that -biased ) > >>Classic Rock Society's annual polls voted Joanne in as top > >>female vocalist. > Hey Frank!!! If you are biased, you have a right to be. That is great news. It is a real bright spot in my day to see Joanne get officially recognized for her incredible talent. What an awesome voice! I admit, when I first heard of the sabbatical, I was bummed. I've never had the chance to see Iona live yet and I am HUNGRY for more recordings. But, we have all seen bands that turn out un-inspired recordings because they are under contract to release another project or just under too much pressure to be creative. What excites me is just thinking about how GREAT their next project will be after they have had a chance to rest and let their creativity flow. I am sure that when the next Iona project comes out, we will all agree that it was well worth the wait. No doubt we all agree they are incredibly talented musicians, and yet you never stop growing as a musician (or at least, you shouldn't) so, what kind of growth will this year bring to Iona? I am actually really excited because we will all get to taste the fruit! ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:05:17 -0800 From: Dennis Reulbach Subject: Re: iona something positive about the sabbatical . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ TGaulde@mail.pnm.com wrote: > > >>It is now official - Joanne Hogg IS the best female prog > > >>vocalist. The recent UK-based (or is that -biased ) > > >>Classic Rock Society's annual polls voted Joanne in as top > > >>female vocalist. > Hey Frank!!! If you are biased, you have a right to be. That is great > news. It is a real bright spot in my day to see Joanne get officially > recognized for her incredible talent. What an awesome voice! I too am glad to hear this. My previous favorite female vocalist was Annie Haslam (from the 70s band Renaissance). But Joanne replaced her after I "found" Iona 3 1/2 years ago. Also I wasn't thrilled with a lot of AH's newer material (musically) though her voice is still good. (But willing to listen if anyone mentions something new & good quality by AH). There's only one thing I don't like about the poll mentioned above. They say Joanne is the best female *prog* vocalist. Are there any other "prog" bands with a female vocalist?? Why not "best female vocalist" period. That'd be my vote. Trying not to be biased ;-) -- and there are a lot of good female vocalists, so this is a strong claim. > So, what kind of growth will this [sabbatical] year bring to Iona? Excellent thought provoking question! The Iona members are so talented, it's scary to think what a year of growth might bring. Plus a bit exciting! My hope is that they can come up with new material - preferably a concept album like Beyond These Shores, but with the intensity and musical skill I love in Journey Into The Morn. Please don't misinterpret this as saying anything bad about BTS musically - it is wonderful. But for my personal tastes it is in parts too mellow - I like Iona when they "kick." Like in "Bi Se" part 2 (11/8 part). Glad to see we can discuss other things than "how to discuss" (or "disgust") on this listserv. I was tempted to make the subject of my posting "WARNING - this mentions IONA (off topic)". ;-) Okay, got *that* outta my system! Thanks for the great posts and suggestions C. Curtis & Jilliemae. Yours in Christ, Dennis +++ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:41:53 -0500 From: tyaney@sprynet.com Subject: iona Iona videos. Such a thing? . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I've only been on this list for a couple weeks, so I apologize if this has been discussed already. Does anyone know if any videos available of Iona? I'd love to see them live, but since that's not likely anytime soon, a video will have to do. If no concert videos are available, even a studio/concept would do. Thanks in advance. Also -- making our (familiy of four) first trip to Ireland next summer (live in Detroit). Would love to reach individuals that live there that can steer me away from the stupid stuff (I'm not going there to kiss a rock). Please contact me if you can spare a few minutes for a tourist that doesn't want to be a tourist. Thanks here, too. Todd ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:20:01 -0500 From: jkreuz@glasscity.net (John Kreuz) Subject: iona King of Love Review . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Their is a new review of the Celtic Expressions of Worship project "The King of Love" at celticmusic.com . This project features members of Iona as well as David Fitzgerald and others. Check it out. John Kreuz Toledo, Ohio ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:12:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "S.J.Walker" Subject: iona Re: Christian Music . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Greetings people, I'm only new to this list and already I have to say that I am appalled at what I have seen. Christians have an obligation to glorify Christ in all they do and I can't see this happening while we argue and fight. On the topic of only listening to christian music I put forward the VIEW that a man can only serve one of two masters. If music is not made to glorify God by the people who write and play it, who is it glorifying and who are we glorifying when we listen to it ? This is the reason I listen only to christian music. Music is such a powerful weapon in the war we are fighting........ I thank you for taking the time to read this, Keep on praisin' 4ever, SAMUEL ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:17:39 -0600 (CST) From: Reid.Bowers@lawrence.edu Subject: Re: iona something positive about the sabbatical . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hello, Does anyone one know when exactly Iona is supposed to end their sabbatical? I am greatly interested as I intend on being in Great Brittian March 1999- June 1999 and would really like to see them in a venue other that Cornerstone. In his grip, Reid Christian Bowers Lawrence University Appleton, WI ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:32:50 +0000 From: Regina van der Steeg Subject: Re: iona Re: Christian Music . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ S.J.Walker wrote: > > I'm only new to this list and already I have to say that I am > appalled at what I have seen. Christians have an obligation to glorify > Christ in all they do and I can't see this happening while we argue and > fight. On the topic of only listening to christian music I put forward > the VIEW that a man can only serve one of two masters. If music is not > made to glorify God by the people who write and play it, who is it > glorifying and who are we glorifying when we listen to it ? > This is the > reason I listen only to christian music. > Music is such a powerful weapon > in the war we are fighting........ Okay, this is 'de druppel die de emmer doet overlopen', I've had it on this list. Bye everybody Regina ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:10:23 +0100 From: Hans Nijntjes Subject: What's going on ? (was Re: iona Re: Christian Music) . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Regina van der Steeg wrote: > > _______________ > > S.J.Walker wrote: > > > > I'm only new to this list and already I have to say that I am > > appalled at what I have seen. Christians have an obligation to glorify > > Christ in all they do and I can't see this happening while we argue and > > fight. On the topic of only listening to christian music I put forward > > the VIEW that a man can only serve one of two masters. If music is not > > made to glorify God by the people who write and play it, who is it > > glorifying and who are we glorifying when we listen to it ? > > This is the > > reason I listen only to christian music. > > Music is such a powerful weapon > > in the war we are fighting........ > Okay, this is 'de druppel die de emmer doet overlopen', I've had it on > this list. > > Bye everybody > > Regina > ______________ Kan iemand mij vertellen wat hier eigenlijk aan de hand is op deze site ? Is dit een discussie-site waarbij iedereen gelijk moet hebben ? Als dat zo is, dan hoop ik dat er binnenkort een andere Iona-site wordt geopend waar mensen elkaar in hun waarde gelaten kunnen worden, wat hun gedachten en meningen dan ook mogen zijn. Ik vind het diep treurig als WIJ zover zijn, dat zelfs mensen-van-het eerste-uur hun abonnement gaan opzeggen. Ik ben echt kwaad ! Can someone tell me what's going on at this site ? Is this a discussion-platform where everyone wants to be put in the right ? If it is so, then I hope there will be soon a new Iona-site, where people will "be kept in theit own values" regardless of their thoughts and opinions. I seems to me very sadly if WE became so far, that even people-of-the-first-hour will unsubscribe themselves of this list. I am very angry ! Hans Nijntjes ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:17:44 -0600 From: Judah Stephens Subject: iona Disappointed . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Everybody, I have been reading all the posts about "WARNING - this mentions God", "Christian Music" and all the others that have been posted and have, like many on this list, become disappointed that we just can't seem to agree on any points that people make and we have to resort to "arguing" over seemingly simple things resulting in numerous people leaving the list. If this is a discussion group about Iona, why are we not discussing them (most of the time)? Also, why do we have to stay on topic and not freely discuss other types of music and how it has affected/is affecting our lives? It makes me sad that certain people have had to leave the list because they can't express their feelings to the list without someone else responding and making them feel like they are unwanted. I, too, am not happy about the sabbatical that Iona is taking. Here's a suggestion, why not start up a discussion and reflect on different topics that have come up on the list, kind of like reminiscing about the "good old days" (-c: }? Well bye for now - Judah Elijah Stephens, Chicago, USA http://www.mcs.net/~jpusa ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:00:09 -0500 From: B1BLancer Subject: iona Random thoughts on recent events . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ It would take an unconcious person not to notice the hostilities that have erupted on this mailing list as of late. The truth is that none of this started until after Walter posted his now famous message. I'm not going into my opinion of Walter's message in this public forum. Trust me, you don't want me to go there. It pains me greatly to see so many people suddenly at each other's throats. I never thought I would see such things on this list. However, maybe some of it was justified. For example, there is the matter of the "Warning - this mentions God" thing. Maybe this was a bit impolite to put in a message, but let's face something. Iona is a Christian band for crying out loud!!! If you can't stand the mention of God, then maybe you don't need to be here. How do you listen to Iona? Do you have some kind of special stereo this filters out all the lyrics so you only hear the music instead? Let's get real people!!! As far as things being on or off topic, I think is is a good idea, perhaps essential, to relax the rules a little since Iona is on a one year sabbatical. It's going to be a long, very quiet year if we don't. Lets take the recent discussion of peoples' favorite bands as an example. Would the members of Iona be interested in seeing that? I think YES! Look, I don't want to make any enemies here. I want to make as many friends as I can. If my remarks have offended anyone, then I am sorry about that, but I stand by every word. If I am kicked off of this list as a result, then so be it. - - David - -- "They shall mount up with wings, as eagles" Isaiah 40:31 "In a land that was dark, they followed the way, bringing sweet Light on an Irish day." from the CD "Heaven's Bright Sun" "Irish Day" Iona ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:29:18 -0800 From: "Charles Crossley, Jr." Subject: iona Heaven's Bright Sun . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BCF939.2AEDA240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never really distinguished this instrumental until the live album by = the same name came out. I didn't realize it was all one piece. Since = then, this instrumental has amazed me. The first three chords are so fortissimo, I wondered why they played = them so loudly. Now I understand that those introductory chords, along = with the various chimes and gongs, cast a sonic imagery of heaven's = bright Sun, probably in His transcendence. Could the fact that there = are three chords illustrate the trinity? The other part of this piece is the place where I think the Uilleann = pipes play a wild melody, repetitive yet beauteous. I think they are = Uilleann pipes because I've never had anyone with me while listening to = point and say, "that's what they sound like." It sort of sounds like = focused bagpipes, as best as I could describe it. Anyway, whatever the = instrument, the sound and the melody drive fanastically through the = rhythms, prompting my imagination to soar with it, and then as the = electric guitar cuts a counterpoint across the solo, I'm just smiling, = enjoying this enriching sound. This piece has definitely become one of my favorites, Iona or otherwise, = despite its length. Charles Crossley, Jr. Oxnard, CA ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #34 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html