iona-digest Sunday, November 23 1997 Volume 97 : Number 033 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:28:19 -0600 From: Aaron Thomas Pierce Subject: Re: iona Warning this mentions God (off topic) . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ > TomBowcock@aol.com wrote: > > A personal question now :- > > > > I just get a feeling (I can't place myfinger on why) that Iona are about to > > make a change in direction, and perhaps this sabbatical is partly to take > > stock of their position and make plans for the future. I may be totally wrong > > (well most probably totally wrong actually), but do you think that we will > > see a change in emphasis from the band, away from the overtly "Christian" > > music scene, and towards more secular tastes/emphasis ? > > > > I'm sure that you may not know the answer to these questions, but would be > > interested in any comments that you may like to make > > > > Cheers > > > > James What!?? This is a bit absurd. I would agree, you are probably totally wrong. I find nothing to base any of the above on. Ok with that out of the way...I saw Sixpence lastnight. Very good show. If you get a chance to see them play it is well worth the time and money. I took about 30 pictures that I will be posting on my homepage in a week or so. -Aaron http://www.netins.net/showcase/vwbug ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:54:36 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona-digest V97 #32 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hey IONA people! Maybe we need to think about using last name initials, since NOW there's at least 3 different people named Roger. (Wyatt, Peck, and Jones.) I'm Roger Jones! It cuts down on the confusion you know. I read one letter about JMT being in my favorite 5. And I think the only mention of JMT from me is that the lead singer in my band H.I.S. is a big John Michael Talbott fan, and it shows in his writing style for H.I.S. I read another letter, and I believe THAT one was related to me, it's hard to tell sometimes. > edited for contents sake, repaeted for clarity! I'm trying to be good Walter! ...so I said all that to preface this. I've come from mainly a rock and metal background. I'm the drummer on my Praise & Worship Band (11 years now) and also in a local Christian Band, we are NOT metal, but I was in a local metal band for 2 years back in "88 -'89, we even got to open for "WhiteCross"!!! Now I said that to explain this diversity which follows. This is very HARD for me to narrow it down to 5 favorites, but here it is: 1) IONA (absolutly #1) (Terl is an AWESOME drummer/percussionist!) 2) Idle Cure (they WERE my #1, excellent vocals and anointed lyrics) (Please DO NOT confuse this anointed band with "the Cure") 3) Stryper (yes, the Christian Metal Band) also (anything that Michael Sweet, Robert Sweet, Tim Gaines, and Oz Fox might be soloing on or just playing on!) ... they had a great influence on my life, it was their brand of JESUS music through the Holy Spirit, that FINALLY reached me. So say what you want about them and/or their style, but in the late '80's their music was ANOINTED to reach metal fans, and rock & rollers everywhere. Some of which will probably read this and think back, "yeah, he's right, after all, they DID pave the way for other Christian bands worldwide!" Being a drummer I was totally fascinated by Robert's drumming, the tremendous guitar work, and their angelic harmonies. 4) Michael W. Smith (Smitty, very versatile) 5) Hosanna Integrity Music, VineYard, Rhema Singers & Band. (anything!) There you have it, I never mentioned JMT in my top 5...I just wanted to clarify my favorites again. Thanks, Roger J. ><> ~ Drummer for Living Word Family Church Praise Team and H.I.S. (Honor In Serving) Christian Music Ministries, Tabb, VA ><> ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:05:37 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: Frank Blades Subject: iona Re: It's Official!!! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi Gang, It is now official - Joanne Hogg IS the best female prog vocalist. The recent UK-based (or is that -biased ) Classic Rock Society's annual polls voted Joanne in as top female vocalist. I have added the full poll winners - no other Iona wins, but I will check the full listings in the next issue of Wondrous Stories (the CRS magazine) and see whether anyone else got a mention. BTW, take a listen to Spock's Beard - cracking band! cheers Frank AWARDS NIGHT RESULTS 1997 Results were as follows:- Best Male Vocalist - Damian Wilson (Threshold, Landmarq) Best Female Vocalist - Joanne Hogg (Iona) Best Guitarist - Roine Stolt (Flower Kings) Best Bass Player - John Jowitt (IQ) Best Drummer - Paul Cook (IQ) Best Keyboard Player - Martin Orford (IQ) Best Band - IQ Best New Band - Rocket Scientists Best Overseas Band - Spocks Beard Best CRS Gig - Camel Best Album - Subterranea (IQ) - ------------------------------------------------- Frank Blades avebury@geocities.com - -------------------------------------------------- Why not check out Alternate View, the UK Progressive Music Webzine at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6565 ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:39:59 -0500 From: Michael Phythian Subject: Re: iona Warning this mentions God (off topic) . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi James, I'm afraid the only positive things I've heard mentioned re the= year off are : Troy's album launch 27 Feb - the U.S. has been mentioned; Joanne may be making an album & Troy working with Midge Ure. I think everyone would like to spend time with their families: Troy, Terr= i & Mia had their first family holiday in 5 years last month - EuroDisney i= n the rain! Hope that helps = Mick ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:48:23 -0500 (EST) From: TomBowcock@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Warning this mentions God (off topic) . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ In a message dated 19/11/97 18:49:41 GMT, you write: << What!?? This is a bit absurd. I would agree, you are probably totally wrong >> Possibly but at least it is Iona related !!! - I rest my case. No in all honesty on reflection I did'nt phrase it very well. What I meant to say was that I thought Iona were going to move away from targetting predominantly "known" christian audiences (ie playing at churches etc), and trying to move their music into the more mainstream arena where it will recieve greater airplay. In short instead of preaching to the converted, they will try and use their music to influence more secular audiences. In essence a form of musical mission. You may disagree with my thoughts and comments - but they are mine and I am as entitled to them as you are to yours - Thank You. James ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:41:55 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona Warning this mentions God (off topic) . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >. _ _ _ >|(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com >Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ >_______________ > >James, I agree, what good is it for a Christian Band to ONLY play to the saved audiences? I hope that IONA are ALLOWED to give an INVITATION to receive Christ as their Lord & Savior though! I know we as Christians need exortation, and times of uplifting too, but the whole reason my band H.I.S. does concerts is to reach the unsaved! You know, Ministry! Feed the hungry people downtown and SHOW them the LOVE of JESUS! etc. I really get disappointed when I go see a Christian concert, and they do NOT give an altar call, or at least TELL someone HOW to get saved...sometimes I know depending on where you're concert is, that you are not permitted to preach, and I think that stinks in the nostrils of God. He still gets all the Glory though! I was in a Christian metal band in '88 -'89 and while we were at this church playing for the kids, and they said you CANNOT give an altar call, we DID anyway and ten kids gave their life to JESUS! Glory!!! So if this IS the direction that IONA is headed, I'm grateful, it's about time that the body of Christ got out of it's "own bathtub" and went "fishing" somewhere else. In Christ, Roger J. ><> ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:10:07 +0200 From: Vaughan Granier Subject: iona I am wondering... . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ This is long, but please read it if the next two lines interest you. I have seen a lot of posts entitled "Warning this mentions God" or other such comments in the subject line. I have been thinking, and I was just wondering - Why are we doing that? I know the reason is that some non-Christians seem to be offended by content that refers exclusively/explicitly to God, and not always directly to Iona, so that is not the point of my question. The point of my question is more that there are some on this list who are acting as if they have been forced by others into acting in a certain way. It would seem that, by being exceptionally vocal, and intense, about the "enforcement of their right not to read anything about God", some people have caused others to feel less than free, and thereby have limited the others' right to say something about God. I know that this list is about Iona, I know that. That's not the point. IONA are about God. They are not (yet, anyway) about music for music's sake, and I personally hope they never will be. They are about making music as a response to the fire God has kindled within their hearts. THAT, I am afraid, makes God very much a part of Iona, and therefore very much a part of this list, as far as I am concerned. If the musical aspect of Iona has drawn a person in, but the spiritual aspect has not, then that person must accept that there is more to Iona than suits them, and in my opinion, those other areas should be open to discussion here without censorship or regulation by non-Christians. Discussions about things relating to God are controversial, I know that. Non-Christians feel preached at, or offended, and Christians too easily fall into the trap of preaching, or making statements that if better thought out, would not be so offensive or "ego"-centric. I don't believe that general discussions of theology are in context, unless Iona have raised them in a song, or an interview, and there are many similar topics to that. Human pride and the resultant arrogance in holding on to human interpretations of Scripture, has over the last 2000 years, torn the church apart, and human pride will continue to do so until Christ returns. Getting into issues that are sourced in human pride will, in all likelihood, tear this list apart in the same way. I do not want that, and I am sure none of us do. But the reality is that some of the Christians on this list are acting "bullied" by the non-Christians into apologising for their faith in every post that has content relating to their (and IONA's) faith in it. I believe that that is unfair, and is rather unnecessary. I am not so sure that we Christians need to do that. I believe that Christians have the responsibility to be mature and considerate. And that means, in part, posting stuff that enriches any understanding of Iona's music/mission/methodology AND considering the impact it has on those who have chosen not to believe in Jesus' love for them. BUT I also believe the non-Christians have the same responsibility. And THAT means, in part, not being hypersensitive about something like a post about religion, or God, in which Iona is not specifically mentioned, but rather adding the information to your knowledge base and gaining greater understanding from it, of either Iona or Christianity. We can talk and walk side by side here - easily and fruitfully - and we can enjoy each other immensely without getting partisan about faith and "non-faith", for want of a better phrase. Lets focus on doing that, rather than having some people appearing to force part of this list to behave in a way which makes one feel comfortable at anothers' expense. And if I have read far too much into the whole thing, and what I am doing now is exactly the above, then I extend my humblest apologies to all whom I have misunderstood, and I accept my own lack of understanding here. God bless. VAUGHAN Go lasa an ghlo/ir De/ cosa/n as do chuid am ata/ caite chuig do thodhchai/, agus go raibh an t-am i la/thair gan sca/th i la/thair A a/illeacht. "May God's glory light a path from your past into your future, and may your present be shadowless in the presence of His beauty." ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:00:22 +0000 From: Sian Subject: Re: iona I am wondering... . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 13:10 21/11/97 +0200, you wrote: >I have seen a lot of posts entitled "Warning this mentions God" or other >such comments in the subject line. > >I have been thinking, and I was just wondering - Why are we doing that? I think the reason you are all doing it is to silence non-christians - that is, making us feel bad about objecting to the excessive display of religious fervour on this list - by exaggerating your intention to 'unselfishly' consider those of us who are not interested in prayer requests and vomit-making christian jargon. These 'warning' headers are petulant and childish, so it would be nice if we could just stop all this ridiculous sulking and self-justification. You are doing nothing to warm us to Christianity, and indeed are doing precisely the opposite - demonstrating Christian culture to be facile, intolerant and very, very boring. Sian _____________________________________________________________ Sian Hawthorne Tel: 0171 975 5528 Manager, CTI Engineering Fax: 0181 981 0259 Faculty of Engineering Email: ctieng@qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary & Westfield College WWW: http://www.ctieng.qmw.ac.uk/CTIEng.html University of London London E1 4 NS CTI Engineering is one of 24 subject based Centres funded by the Higher Education funding bodies of the UK, working to support and encourage the use of learning technologies in Higher Education. ______________________________________________________________ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:11:25 -0000 From: "Nainby, Andrew" Subject: RE: iona I am wondering... . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I agree entirely with Vaughan's wise posting about an apparent hyper-sensitivity over matters Christian on this list, but I would add two further points. Theological debate is one thing, outright evangelism is another. I am certainly not against the latter, but this list is not the place for it. If anyone feels it is right to witness specifically to someone else who is a member of this list, do it off-line as a general posting will only antagonise those who are not happy to receive such matters. The second point is that it does no harm to indicate content in message headers. "WARNING - God content" is, perhaps, a tad exaggerated, but THEOLOGICAL allows people who are not interested to delete the message without opening it. Its simply a matter of netiquette. Regards, Andrew ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:25:21 +0000 From: Sian Subject: RE: iona I am wondering... . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 12:11 21/11/97 -0000, you wrote: >. _ _ _ >|(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com >Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ >_______________ >The second point is that it does no harm to indicate content in message >headers. "WARNING - God content" is, perhaps, a tad exaggerated, but >THEOLOGICAL allows people who are not interested to delete the message >without opening it. Its simply a matter of netiquette. I think Theological would be the wrong word. Perhaps "dogmatic" would be better given the content of most of the so-called THEOLOGICAL posts. They're not theological in the academic (and in my view, acceptable) sense of the word. Sian _____________________________________________________________ Sian Hawthorne Tel: 0171 975 5528 Manager, CTI Engineering Fax: 0181 981 0259 Faculty of Engineering Email: ctieng@qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary & Westfield College WWW: http://www.ctieng.qmw.ac.uk/CTIEng.html University of London London E1 4 NS CTI Engineering is one of 24 subject based Centres funded by the Higher Education funding bodies of the UK, working to support and encourage the use of learning technologies in Higher Education. ______________________________________________________________ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:45:53 -0000 From: "Richard Stringer" Subject: iona Re:Iwas just wondering , further thoughts . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ As the person who posted the original *warning this mentions God* it has been interesting to see some of the resonses. It is sad to see that some people seem to automatically question peoples motives ( the original idea of the warning was me trying to be clever , I obviously failed there !). The original point was that although some people can *put up with* conversing about the God content some people obviously can't. I bought the first album from a Christian book shop on the basis that they were a Christian band ( I read and liked the lyrics) , I am not a *prog rock* fan, but I am content to see other discuss music that they feel is similar.My only concern is that some people stated that they would unsubscibe because of the God content of some peoples posts, I was merely stating that this was hard to avoid as they are a Christian band. There was no intent to try and silence people. Richard Stringer ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:57:18 -0500 (EST) From: Born2Prayz@aol.com Subject: iona RE:...I was just wondering . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Sian: I can't help but agree with your comments about "Warning, this includes God" thing; it does seem a little childish. I think the reason people are doing it is because of the comments made by Walter recently concerning non-Iona emails. However, the vomit comment was a bit much, I think. And Roger has apologized PLENTY of times for posting the prayer request thing. Cant blame the guy for having a heart. I think it safe and sane to say, that if this is not the place to promote Jesus, than this is also not the place to slam Him or His own. Peace of Christ 2U, Laura ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:34:54 +0000 From: Benedict Poole Subject: iona It's been nice . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hello all Time to go I think--at least for now. Certain elements of the list have been getting pretty childish of late, and no-one needs that. Take the squabbles off the digest. As for the relion issue. I am religious, but I can see how some people were getting fed up with how some posts to the list were going--all this rubbish about only listening to Christian music is pretty strong, and offends some people's sensibilities (mine included). But we're all different, and that's what is cool about mailing lists. However, this additional sarcasm directed at Walter (he runs the list. What he says goes!!! If you don't like it, state your objections, leave, and set up another list!), together the email header/HTML tag squabbling is getting out of hand. See you all later Ben - -- @ home: ben@flump.netkonect.co.uk @ work: benedict_rs_poole@gb.coopers.com @ web: http://www.netkonect.co.uk/~flump/ Brought to you by Ben Poole and Flump, an old Macintosh. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:26:25 +0200 From: Hubert Jakobs Subject: Re: iona It's been nice . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Benedict Poole wrote: > As for the religion issue. I am religious, but I can see how some people were > getting fed up with how some posts to the list were going--all this rubbish > about only listening to Christian music is pretty strong, and offends some > people's sensibilities (mine included). Hi! I was also among those who stated that they listen only to Christian music and I cannot see the reason for somebody getting mad about it. I guess that everybody on this list knows that Iona is a Christian group, consisting of people, who all are believers. And if somebody likes that part of them + likes other similar groups and musicians, who draw their inspiration from sources related to God and Christianity, then everything should be normal. And if there was a question about what kind of music everybody is listening to, I think also these people who don't listen to secular music in principle could express their opinion. Or is that a crime in somebody's eyes? I don't think that those of us who only listen to Christian music have suggested that everybody has to be like them and that it is wrong to listen to secular music. I have several Christian friends, who listen to all kinds of music (and even play all kinds of music) and I don't have a problem with that. But if somebody calls it rubbish, when I tell, that I don't listen to secular music, then this person has to learn to get rid of this kind of biased attitude. After all, we are on this list, because of Iona, and they love God. So why should we critisize those who do the same thing... Hubert from Estonia ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #33 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html