iona-digest Monday, November 17 1997 Volume 97 : Number 031 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:13:41 -0500 (EST) From: TomBowcock@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Dear All, I must agree with what has been said on this subject so far. The approaching years sabatical is going to make any discussions directly related to Iona's activities very few and far between. In addition to that I have always seen the discussion forum as loose entity based around Iona and "associated" topics. Where those topics have strayed too far off topic and have yet remained of interest to me, then I have continued those discussions by direct correspondence and off of the listserv. I agree that the listserv will loose more "subscribers" by having no activity than by at least having some communications. True, I agree that the listserv should not be a free for all on any topic that one can think of today, but it must also be free to discuss areas that are at least related or connected with Iona - even if the discussion then moves off into private discussions. But restricting the listserv to "pure" Iona topics in this next year would surely be folly. Or would we prefer to start spurious threads such as "Iona to split ?" or "Iona not really a christian band". Sure such threads would spark much debate and idle discussion on the serv AND be totally Iona focused, yet they would in effect be totally spurious and pointless areas of discussion and no more worthy of Walters time and money than many of the off topic conversations. Walter I really do appreciate what you have done and how you so willingly took over when the last serv went down, but I think that what is needed is a modicum of common sense. This serv was once again begining to adopt a true identity. There was once again the feeling that a true Iona community was being developed. Integral to that was learning a bit about each other and how in many ways we are very similar (a fact so well articulated by Bill in his post). I feel saddened that people like Jilliemae now feel so intimidated, that they feel they can no longer post what they feel to the list for fear of falling foul of the "rules". I for one have always appreciated hers and many others postings on this and the previous listserv. Finally I would just like to conclude by re-iterating once again, that I DO appreciate what Walter has done, and many of the things that he said in his last mail were very true and need to be heeded. Of course we should'nt re-post the entire contents of a previous mailing (but bits of must be acceptable for continuity's sake). I also note Walters comments about those changing ISP's. I had'nt really though about it, but on reflection I can see the problems that it would cause and therefore we must be more considerate of our actions. No, where I do disagree is on the whole area of what is and what is'nt acceptable content wise - At the end of the day common sense must be allowed to prevail (especially in a sabbatical year). Walter if this post has offended you then please feel free to revoke my membership of this listserv (after all it is yours to do with as you will). However, to offend is not my intention. whatever action you decide to take, I wish you and all the members of the listserv well. Thank you James Barry (aka Tom Bowcock) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:04:38 -0600 From: "Kenneth" Subject: Re: iona Everybody must read this, please! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I am fairly new to the list and really enjoy all the messages I have received. I really enjoyed getting to know everyone's taste in music. I feel this may have been slightly off the topic of IONA and can understand Walter's point, but from reading the Welcome Message from when I signed on I can't tell why this should have been a problem. In the welcome message it talks about this being an open forum about news and events with IONA and ......it also talks about posting subjects by its members to promote discussions. Isn't that what the Top 5's were, promoting discussions. If I am wrong I am sorry for wasting your time, but I dont understand why promoting discussions would be wrong. I have attached a small portion of the Welcome Message (at the bottom) I received discussing this matter. If anyone wants the Full Welcome Message I still have mine and would be happy to email it privately Kenneth Pricer kdpri@geocities.com "IONA mailing list is devoted to communication and discussion on subjects related to the band Iona; a kind of "permanent assembly" formed by its subscribers. Examples of messages. a) sending/receiving -news about concerts, and activities -reports about events, radio/tv programs, articles -news related to the band -recommendation of interesting related Web sites -reviews b) a discussion 'forum': -about subjects suggested by members of the list that other members are invited to answer, with the goal of promoting discussion c) with everybody's help, much more" ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:12:59 -0600 From: Judah Stephens Subject: iona My top 5s . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ - --------------ABA945101C3387F673B1DE54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are my top 5's (songs & artists) Songs Bi-Se I Mo Shuil 2 Wisdom Encircling HBS (from HBS) Reels (from HBS) My musical tastes are probably very different from most, if not all of yours, being in my mid 20s and my favorite music being rock/heavy metal Top 5-1/2 Artists Iona The Supertones (a lot like the secular group No Doubt, but Christian) Enya Hoi Polloi (from New Zealand - does anybody else listen to them and does anybody know if they have or are breaking up?) Living Sacrifice (Thrash) Bloodgood (late 80s-early 90s metal) Anybody have similar tastes? May God bless you all Today's God's Promise ****************** "The Lord is nigh unto them that call upon Him." - Psalm 145:18 "Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you." - James 4:8 - --------------ABA945101C3387F673B1DE54 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Here are my top 5's (songs & artists)

Songs

Bi-Se I Mo Shuil 2
Wisdom
Encircling
HBS (from HBS)
Reels (from HBS)

My musical tastes are probably very different from most, if not all of yours, being in my mid 20s and my favorite music being rock/heavy metal

Top 5-1/2 Artists

Iona
The Supertones (a lot like the secular group No Doubt, but Christian)
Enya
Hoi Polloi (from New Zealand - does anybody else listen to them and does anybody know if they have or are breaking up?)
Living Sacrifice (Thrash)
Bloodgood (late 80s-early 90s metal)

Anybody have similar tastes?

May God bless you all

Today's God's Promise
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"The Lord is nigh unto them that call upon Him." - Psalm 145:18

"Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you." - James 4:8 - --------------ABA945101C3387F673B1DE54-- ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:51:14 -0800 From: Rick Davis Subject: Re: iona Everybody must read this, please! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hello, all. I must say that, as a new subscriber to this discussion list, the discussion of the Top 5 has been of great interest to me. To me IONA has by far produced the BEST CDs OF THE DECADE (or two) in "Christian music." The subjects are rooted in historical orthodox Christianity and based on the lives of saints that can inspire us and teach us (the cloud of witnesses, if you will). This is of the greatest value to those listening to "Christian music" because we, especially in the US, are inundated with "Christian music" that is focused too much on the individual's desires for my taste at this time in my life. I, too, once listened to and played much of this over the years, but have, too, through the teachings of Francis and Edith Schaffer and others, and involvement in a properly focused (to me) branch of the Praise and Worship movement, come to look for the historical Christian truth and beauty in all music ("truth is truth wherever you find it"), "Christian" and "secular." Also, in this process, my family and I have joined, and I participate in the music ministry at, our local evangelical Episcopal church, which has brought me to that appreciation, along with the aforementioned teachings, of a liturgical, historical approach to worship in music. All this is to reiterate that IONA's music fits not only this appreciation and desire for real historical christian content in my "Christian music" listening, but also has become a vehicle for the Holy Spirit to bring healing to my soul. Having said all that, I have found the Top 5 discussions very interesting. Though not directly on IONA the band, it gives me an overall musical preference picture of those that listen to IONA, and I find that this group I have stumbled upon likes the same music my family and I do to a very great extent. It gives me even more of a tie with each one on the discussion list to know this. I must agree that, with IONA taking a year off concerts and recording, the discussion list could get really slow, or disolve altogether, or could degenerate into some really off-the-wall discussions, at which time I would simply unsubscribe. I do not want to see the discussion degenerate, but I do think, if it is to be kept going, we probably should have some broadening of the topics, but within reason. Walter, I, too, appreciate the work you are doing with this list, and I am certainly not complaining about your posting about content, but I felt I should let my feelings be known. I have enjoyed the somewhat related (by musical taste) discussions (am I repeating myself?), and would be saddened if they were to stop altogether. Remember: You can't tell by how ya feel, how ya are. May the peace of the Father, and the love of the Son, and the power of the Holy Spirit encircle and enfold you, and keep you this day. Rick Davis rdavis@intercenter.net jrdavis@nortel.ca ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:58:58 +0200 From: Hubert Jakobs Subject: Re: iona My top 5s . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Judah Stephens wrote: > > Hoi Polloi (from New Zealand - does anybody else listen to them and > does anybody know if they have or are breaking up?) I have been a huge fan of them and especially like their first album. Unfortunately they have broken up. I just hope that Jenny Gullen would not disappear from the music scene, because she has such a good voice. Hubert from Estonia ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:03:43 -0800 From: Rick Davis Subject: Re: iona Everybody must read this, please! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Walter, and all. I am sorry if my postings have caused you a problem having the headers in them - my version of Netscape (2.02) attaches the email I am replying to, and I never see the attachment. I do not intend to change my Netscape setting for one discussion list (the only one I am in) every time I want to reply to a posting, and then change it back for my other email. And I guess my long posting about the subject will not appreciated by Walter (I just now found and read his posting content, etc. My previous posting was in reply to a reply, I guess). Walter, and anyone else, if I have offended you in any way, or caused you problems, that was NOT my intention, and I do sincerely apologize. I have enjoyed this discussion list more than any other I have tried, and found it uplifting and helpful. Walter, if you think it best, then you remove me from the subscriber list. But if you do not, I will gladly remain a part of this list. I guess if I do not receive the 29 or so postings a day I have been getting recently, I will know I have been unsubscribed. Remember: You can't tell by how ya feel, how ya are. May the peace of the Father, and the love of the Son, and the power of the Holy Spirit encircle and enfold you, and keep you this day. Rick Davis rdavis@intercenter.net jrdavis@nortel.ca ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:10:40 -0800 From: Kevin Cox Subject: Re: iona Suggestions on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Dear fellow listserv members: I agree with all that has been said on this subject also. Walter has done a great job in taking over this list serv; we can show him our gratitude by being responsible. When I was brand new to the old list I made a few mistakes that went uncorrected but I thought about them later myself. Noone need feel intimidated by their postings or opinions (Jilliemae I love your sense of humor! don't go away). I have a few suggestions for us to take note of before clicking that "SEND" button that might make everyone's experience with this listserv a pleasant one: 1) Ask yourself if your post is really related to Iona or related subjects - -- Christian music, progressive music, Christianity, Celtic music. Replies that are of a personal nature or an unrelated subject really should be handled off-list. 2) *Take a minute to read over your post before sending it to look for parts of old messages, extranneous stuff etc., as well as things that might be considered flaming.* 3) Take note of all Walter's comments about being on this list, particularly when you have a change of ISP. The coming sabbatical year will be very interesting for Iona fans, especially the ones on this listserv. We'll have to come up with creative ways to keep in touch without getting totally off-KILTer (Scottish pun intended). Those of us who are given to prayerful activities can certainly included a good thought for Iona (and this listsev!) this next year. Every time Jesus went "up to the mountaintop" to pray he came down and healed people, so we can expect good things from Iona after their vacation. I hope Walter hasn't minded the couple of inspirational items I've posted recently. Mille grazie! (1000 thanks in Italian) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:26:03 -0600 From: Judah Stephens Subject: iona Re: Hoi Polloi . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Why the break up? I never heard/saw anything about it? I read an interview somewhere on the net about a new album. Any truth to that? ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:44:01 -0600 From: Aaron Thomas Pierce Subject: Re: iona Re: Hoi Polloi . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Judah Stephens wrote: > Why the break up? I never heard/saw anything about it? I read an interview > somewhere on the net about a new album. Any truth to that? I had "heard" that, but I haven't heard anything from them or thier label to support of disprove. I have thier two newest CD's "Spin Me" and "Happy Ever After" which came out in 1993 and 1996 respectivly. A wonderful band and Jenny DOES rock. I first heard her on The Choir's "the ocean" from their "free flying soul" CD. PDG (pretty darn good) but it. -Aaron http://www.netins.net/showcase/vwbug ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:25:14 -0500 From: B1BLancer Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ TomBowcock@aol.com wrote: YES YES YES! I agree wholeheartedly with Tom. - -- "They shall mount up with wings, as eagles" Isaiah 40:31 "In a land that was dark, they followed the way, bringing sweet light on an Irish day." from the CD "Heaven's Bright Sun" "Irish Day" Iona ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:56:54 +0000 From: Lee Halbert Subject: iona Christian beliefs !!! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ This is my last post - I believe we have been down this path many times before (It seems to appear about every 3 or 4 months) - having just returned from a weekend in Dublin I had about 50 posts, the vast majority of these seem to be ramming religious thoughts down my throat which I do not appreciate. Like Walter say's this list is to discuss Iona and their music !! Fair enough because of Iona's beliefs religion may have to be touched on now and again, but I feel that this element is once again taking over ! Enough of my complaints, the main reason I wrote apart from to say that this list is losing another member is to say that I managed to see The Book Of Kells whilst I was in Dublin, when I came out into the gift shop very prominently displayed was none of than 'The Book of Kells' by Iona !! Bye Bye Lee http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~leehal/ The Unofficial Nick Beggs Website ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:05:09 -0500 From: Chris Staunton Subject: iona Everybody must read this, please! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Walter Aresca wrote: > My intention is to give a free service to all Iona fans providing also > content. This list cannot be used as a generic "music" discussion list > or a > newsgroup. Hmm. Well if this is not the place to talk about music, I'm gone. Iona, or any other band, is a limited topic, especially when they're taking the year off. > Sorry but I'm paying myself for this service and I want it > is the > way I like. > As you see this week in China I payed a lot of money that no one will > give > me back. But also in Italy I pay each phone call I make and I'm not > the only > one in this situation!! I'm sorry that you're in China. I'm sorry that you pay for your phone service. Actually, wait a minute, I pay for mine too! It's a conspiricy! Ahhhh.... Chris Staunton signing off... ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:05:13 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona Everybody must read this, please! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Walter, I APPOLOGIZE DEEPLY, for my "misleading" of the J.H. "hoax". It looked legit to me, as well as to others I showed it to BEFORE I replied. As far as the cutting off headers, on my system, I just hit "reply" and start typing on what appears to be a blank page. I have NO CONTROL over how it ends up when it's sent. In Christ, Roger ><> ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:27:12 +0000 From: Regina van der Steeg Subject: Re: iona Christian beliefs !!! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Lee Halbert wrote: > This is my last post - I believe we have been down this path many times > before (It seems to appear about every 3 or 4 months) - having just > returned from a weekend in Dublin I had about 50 posts, the vast > majority of these seem to be ramming religious thoughts down my throat > which I do not appreciate. Like Walter say's this list is to discuss > Iona and their music !! Fair enough because of Iona's beliefs religion > may have to be touched on now and again, but I feel that this element is > once again taking over ! Let's keep this in mind!!! It's allright to write why an Iona song touched your heart, or anything like that, but don't forget that there are many non-christians on this list (at least I hope they still are!). I myself am a Christian, but I did not read much of all these messages about what kind of music you listen to when you're a christian or topics like that. I'm on this list to hear about Iona, their music, their future plans, to read questions about their songs and to tell that I went to Murlough Bay last summer because of their song and that kind of things. If you want to talk about religion and music, there's a newsgroup for that: rec.music.christian. P.S. I REALLY do not mean to offend anyone of you, but I've seen this kind of discussions before, and they make it very hard to stay on the list. (I too, pay for my phonecalls....-:) Well, enough about this topic. I think I'm gonna listen to Murlough Bay again, and remember how quiet and peaceful it's overthere. See you, Regina ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #31 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html