iona-digest Sunday, November 16 1997 Volume 97 : Number 030 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:05:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jilliemae@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ In a message dated 97-11-13 11:23:38 EST, _Brasil Bill_ writes: << What's really great, though, is that through the music of Iona we are able to reach out and communicate with people of such obviously different backgrounds, and find something in common that makes us friends, and bonds us together into a tight, well formed cybercommunity. What a fantastic feeling it is to log into the mail server 2-3 times a day and read the latest posts from all around the world, from people you KNOW that exist, even though you've never met them (and in most cases probably never will), and that even so they have thoughts and feelings they want to share with you, and you with them! >> Amen and amen! Wow, you've summed it up so well, Bill. :) Amazing how you were able to take the lists of top five and put us into categories ;) Seriously, though I try to avoid generalisations (hard to do) I found your comments very interesting -- I think you must have a gift! I find myself perched on a fence between the first two categories. Though I've practically grown up with "Jesus Music" (I made a decision for Christ in 1975), over the last couple of years, I've grown increasingly bored with the pablum our local "Contemporary" Christian music station plays. I have even started listening to (and actually enjoying) some of the bands my sons like: Plankeye, Supertones, Between Thieves, etc. Oh, I still appreciate the talent and committment of artists like Michael W. Smith, DC Talk, Jars of Clay, and of those whom I mentioned in my top five recently. I look forward to the Amy Grant Christmas tour, when it comes to Dallas next month, where I'll be volunteering at one of the Compassion International tables. Lately, however, I find myself broadening my horizons -- especially when it comes to instrumental and folk music. In my collection you'll now find secular artists from Canada, Scotland, and Ireland such as Dougie McLean, The Rankin Family, and the Barra McNeils. I like some of Mary Jane Lamond's Gaelic mouth music and "waulking" songs. All this is a result of my "gettting into my Scottish heritage." Since I started teaching piano several years ago, I've collected more "classical" CD's and now have more of an appreciation for JSB, Handel, Vivaldi, Mendelssohn and even Debussy (who was not a "believer"). In the running for my favorite "Desert Island" picks would be music such as Edward MacDowell's Celtic Sonata (#4 in E minor), Sibelius' Finlandia, Vivaldi's Four Seasons, Bach's Brandenburg Concertos, Mendelssohn's Reformation, Italian, and Scottish Symphonies, as well as his Hebride's Overture. These are masterpieces that would take a considerable length of time before I tired of hearing them. I think the realisation that I had years ago after reading some of Francis and Edith Schaeffer's works is finally taking root in my life; specifically the idea that a work of art can be beautiful and point to our Heavenly Father even if the artist is an outright pagan. I know we've had this discussion (was it last year?) here on the Iona listserver before -- the one about people being Christian and not things (like music)? I did go through a decade or so of my life listening almost exclusively to music produced by Christian artists. I have to admit I got rather smug and close-minded about it all. I won't go into that right now as I've already veered off the topic of Iona and their wonderful music. Thanks all for your interesting posts -- keep up the dialogue and keep your standards high -- both artistically as well as measured against Phillipians 4:8. :) Jill in Dallas ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:53:53 -0800 From: Dennis Reulbach Subject: iona Digest offer . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Sorry about the "mistake" in my last Email to the group. Says it came from Christine Reulbach, but in fact it came from l'il ol' me, Dennis Reulbach. Christine is my daughter. The Digest offer still stands, but be sure to mail any requests to Dennis Reulbach (reulbach@nji.com). Read my prior post (says from Christine Reulbach, but I signed it at the bottom) for the offer, as it is. In Christ, Dennis ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:16:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Newswanger Subject: Re: iona Top Fives . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ My top 5 sans Iona: Jars of Clay The 77's Sixpence None The Richer Bruce Cockburn Charlie Peacock === *********************************************************** * Jon Newswanger * I press on toward * * ESL Instructor * the goal... * * Western Mennonite School * Philippians 3:15 (Paul * * Salem, OR * must have been a forward) * *********************************************************** Go USA/PIONEERS/MOLDOVA/CREW/FC CZ JENA/FC METZ/GERMANY __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:50:04 -0600 From: "Kenneth" Subject: iona AOL Instant Messenger . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_018D_01BCF14F.A5F2E280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. I am fairly new to the list and I was just curious of who is on AOL = Instant messenger and what your Handles might be? If any would like to = chat I think It would be great way for us to get together for those who = aren't on AOL and those that are, Or maybe use PowWow or something that = we all can use that is Shareware/Freeware. Just A thought. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:17:46 -0800 From: Kevin Cox Subject: iona REply to Chris Staunton . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >. _ _ _ >|(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com >Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ >_______________ > >Kevin Cox wrote: > >> Ok, here are my faves: >> >> 1. Iona >> 2. Yes >> 3. Peter Gabriel >> 4. Rush >> 5. (older) Genesis > >Wow, Kevin you couldn't have gotten closer to my own musical tastes if >you tried! Out of curiosity, where are you from? > >> -- now I have to go on a CD-buying binge! > >You couldn't have gotten closer to my favorite pastime either... >(expensive isn't it?) > > >------------------------------- >Chris Staunton >chriss@pcsupplies.com > >...gotta get back to BASSics... >------------------------------- >______________ >To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com >In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona >or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html Sorry it's taken me this long to reply -- I've been pretty busy. I'm in the portland, Oregon area, and yes, I am given to CD-buying binges, which is definitely pricey but one of these days I'm going to start buying a CD a month or something, then I won't need to go on binges anymore. How awesome that we have the same top 5!! What are some other bands you're into? ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:19:11 -0800 From: Kevin Cox Subject: iona Reply to Jenny Woodworth . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >>At 08:18 AM 11/10/97 -0500, Jenny wrote: >> >>>5. Mark Knofler tied with Elvis Costello >> >>The mind boggles! :-) >> >>Mark >> >My aplogies if my unusual choice caused any of you permanent brain >damage. :-) I am a great fan of the writing styles and versatility of >both of these artists. I started listening to them both with their first >albums and they have both managed to keep my interest for the last 20 >yrs. That is the mark of a true artist. I must admit that I listen to >the music of Mark Knopfler with Dire Straits and other various >incarnations more than any other artist. I never cease to get caught up >in his brilliant guitar playing. I hope this clears things up for you. >I guess I need to work in the word Iona in here somewhere so here goes. >Does anyone know the significance of the island of Iona? Why did they >choose the name of this tiny island for their band? > >".....and in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With >all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. > Be cheerful. Strive to be happy." Found in Old St. Paul's church >Baltimore, Maryland. > >jenny332@juno.com Hi Jenny! Welcome to the list! Since you sent another message at the same time inviting people to type (at) you, here I am... I don't think your combo of artists is bizarre -- if it is, my tastes are just as off-kilter! And I like both EC (Elvis Costello and Eric Clapton) and Mark Knopfler, although Costello is less a priority for me. I really loved the quote you found in that church -- words to remember in the noisy and confusing times. The only thing really dependable (and worthy of our attention!) in our lives is God and His love. Blessings to you, kevin cox (kcox@macnet.com) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:24:26 -0800 From: Kevin Cox Subject: no iona /Fwd: God's Promises . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >>>>>>> > > > Our Thinking vs. God's Promises >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "It's impossible." >>>>>>> > > > All things are possible. (Lk. 18:27) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I'm too tired." >>>>>>> > > > I will give you rest. (Mt. 11:28-30) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "Nobody really loves me." >>>>>>> > > > I love you. (Jn 3:16) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I can't go on." >>>>>>> > > > My grace is sufficient. (II Cor. 12:19) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I can't figure things out." >>>>>>> > > > I will direct your steps. (Prov. 20:24) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I can't do it." >>>>>>> > > > You can do all things in Christ. (Phil 4:13) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I'm not able." >>>>>>> > > > I am able. (II Cor. 9:8) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "It's not worth it." >>>>>>> > > > It will be worth it. (Rom. 8:28) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I can't forgive myself." >>>>>>> > > > I forgive you. (I Jn. 1:9 & Rom. 8:1) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I can't manage." >>>>>>> > > > I will supply all your need. (Phil. 4:19) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I'm afraid." >>>>>>> > > > I have not given you a spirit of fear. (II Tim. 1:7) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I'm always worried and frustrated." >>>>>>> > > > Cast all your cares on Me. (I Pet. 5:7) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I don't have enough faith." >>>>>>> > > > I've given everyone a measure of faith. (Rom. 12:8) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I'm not smart enough." >>>>>>> > > > I give you wisdom. (I Cor. 1:30) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > "I feel all alone." >>>>>>> > > > I will never leave you or forsake you. (Heb. 13:5) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > | >>>>>>> > > > \ | / >>>>>>> > > > \ \ | / / >>>>>>> > > >\ \ \ | / / >>>>>>> > > > \ \ \ | / / / >>>>>>> > > > \ \ \ | / / / >>>>>>> > > > \ \ \ | / / / >>>>>>> > > > \ \ \ | / / / >>>>>>> > > >\ \ \ \ | / / / / >>>>>>> > > > \ \ \ \ | / / / / >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > >_ \ \ \ * * / / / _ - >>>>>>> > > > - _ \ \* */ / _ - >>>>>>> > > > - _ \* */ _ - >>>>>>> > > > - _* *_ - >>>>>>> > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > >Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all >>>>>>> > > >circumstances >>>>>> >>>>>>> > > "And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. >>>>>>> > > But the greatest of these is love." >>>>>>> > > ~1 Corinthians 13:13 ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:48:39 +0100 From: Walter Aresca Subject: iona Everybody must read this, please! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi folks, I'm currently in China. Greetings from Shanghai! Here, connecting to the Internet is not so easy and I decided to place some international phone calls connecting directly to my server in Italy. Many many US$ are gone :( ..... I had to do this connection for business, but I also downloaded my personal E-mail and I want to share with you this data. I received about 2000 kb; more than 1200 kb are already in the trash and about 1000 kb of those are due to the iona list. 1) Two iona subscribers ( Nicea@aol.com and apolutro@cyberenet.net ) canceled their ISP account without first unsubscribing from the list so I received 146 bounced messages. Dear guys I spent a lot of money for your mistake! 2) Five iona subscribers did not remember how they subscribed to the list so asked me to unsubscribe them. Every message shows how to unsubscribe. If you have many E-mail addresses and don't remember the one you subscribed with, please check the header of the posts coming from the listserv and you will find it! Also save the welcome message as it reports exact information. 3) roger.w.jones@larc.nasa.gov is fallen in another hoax and generated about 100 kb of unuseful messages. Without considering this is an hoax, sending out chain letter is against netiquette, is prohibited by mailing lists and also off topic. 4) Four posts sent to or from a wrong E-mail address. Every message to the list must be posted to musictus@musictus.com and from the same E-mail address you used to subscribe. 5) rdavis@intercenter.net, roger.w.jones@larc.nasa.gov, rogers@auhs.edu, RET503@novell3.bham.ac.uk, jenny332@juno.com, dt@mayerreed.com, mdaswani@cisco.com and rreuse@innernet.net posted quoting header or footer of other messages. Also for you guys I payed money for unuseful bytes. 6) I consider most of the messages on the list to be "off-topic". This is the last but not least. Am I the only one who is considering most of the last weeks messages "non Iona centered"? I don't think so as only this week 15 people unsubscribed from the list. Friends, I'm sorry to be so hard in this moment but I think it's time to take a decision. All subscribers should be good guys reading the welcome message and observing the guideline and netiquette for this list, but seems like this is not true. One question: is the intro file not clear (maybe for my poor English)? If yes please help me to write it more clearly writing to my private E-mail. (you can download the intro message by mailto:musictus@musictus.com with body intro iona) If no, should I change the subscribe policy from open to close, approving myself every subscriber before he has "signed" a kind of guideline (I will do this, I will not to that etc....) ? My intention is to give a free service to all Iona fans providing also content. This list cannot be used as a generic "music" discussion list or a newsgroup. Sorry but I'm paying myself for this service and I want it is the way I like. As you see this week in China I payed a lot of money that no one will give me back. But also in Italy I pay each phone call I make and I'm not the only one in this situation!! My apologize to all of you guys and girls (you are many!) that are respecting the rules! Thanks! I'm open to receive all suggestion to my private E-mail musictus@musictus.com Thank you and good weekend! Walter Aresca mailto:musictus@musictus.com Nov, 10-15 My phone number is +86 21 91350309 (GMT +7) See you at Asti-Gospel '97, the biggest Gospel Festival in Italy Dec, 20-21-22-23 - http://www.musictus.com/astigospel/ ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:25:00 -0800 From: "Charles Crossley, Jr." Subject: Re: iona Everybody must read this, please! . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Walter Aresca offered: >I'm open to receive all suggestion to my private E-mail musictus@musictus.com Wow! That's a lot of money, Walter. I'd suggest it may be financially worthwhile to move to America, but then you'd rarely be able to see our favorite band, Iona. :) Especially if you moved here to California.... May I also point out that many people in the world pay for email by the byte? That means the rest of us shouldn't quote entire messages, but only the parts of messages that are relevant to our responses. Thank you, Walter, for this list. Charles Crossley, Jr. Oxnard, CA ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jilliemae@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Dear All Please know that I sent my long post (the one that started off with a quote by Bill in Brazil) yesterday before Walter's recent notice. It just now showed up in my mailbox -- a day later! My apologies if it's off topic or inconvenient to anyone. I'll be quiet for awhile. God bless Iona! (the band and the island ;) Jill in Dallas ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:20:55 -0500 From: B1BLancer Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I don't pretend to speak for anybody else, but personally I've really enjoyed reading about different subscriber's music choices, even though that may be technically "off topic." I realize that this topic has generated alot of e-mail, but which is preferable, that or a mailing list that has very few if any posts? Please do not think I am being inconsiderate of the folks who have to pay alot of money for internet access and e-mail. Perhaps we in the United States have become spoiled by our $19.95 a month unlimited internet access by free local phone calls and the unlimited e-mail that comes with it. I fully realize that there are many who do not have this luxury. However, let's face facts folks. Iona in getting ready to go on a 1 year sabbatical. If we adhere to the strictest rules of what is on topic and off topic, it could cause a VERY quiet year on this mailing list. I don't know about anyone else, but that would cause me to unsubscribe more quickly that a very active list. The last post of Jill in Dallas (Jillimae@aol.com) bothered me. I don't want to see anybody intimidated into "being quiet" if they have something to contribute to the list. My humble opinion is that with Iona going on sabbatical, it is necessary to relax the rules a bit to keep this list going. Its going to be loooooong year. Granted, we don't want it to get to the point where we find ourselves discussing such things as cigars and home renovation projects, so we need to keep things within reason. Well, that's my opinion, so I'll stop for now. May God be with you all. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:26:57 -0500 From: B1BLancer Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I don't pretend to speak for anybody else, but personally I've really enjoyed reading about different subscriber's music choices, even though that may be technically "off topic." I realize that this topic has generated alot of e-mail, but which is preferable, that or a mailing list that has very few if any posts? Please do not think I am being inconsiderate of the folks who have to pay alot of money for internet access and e-mail. Perhaps we in the United States have become spoiled by our $19.95 a month unlimited internet access by free local phone calls and the unlimited e-mail that comes with it. I fully realize that there are many who do not have this luxury. However, let's face facts folks. Iona in getting ready to go on a 1 year sabbatical. If we adhere to the strictest rules of what is on topic and off topic, it could cause a VERY quiet year on this mailing list. I don't know about anyone else, but that would cause me to unsubscribe more quickly that a very active list. The last post of Jill in Dallas (Jillimae@aol.com) bothered me. I don't want to see anybody intimidated into "being quiet" if they have something to contribute to the list. My humble opinion is that with Iona going on sabbatical, it is necessary to relax the rules a bit to keep this list going. Its going to be loooooong year. Granted, we don't want it to get to the point where we find ourselves discussing such things as cigars and home renovation projects, so we need to keep things within reason. Well, that's my opinion, so I'll stop for now. May God be with you all. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #30 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html