iona-digest Saturday, November 15 1997 Volume 97 : Number 029 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:12:33 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona Jessica Mydek Story . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Sorry, It was sent to me by someone who sends daily scripture verses, and I don't think they would try and "scam" anyone! Besides that it looked like a legitimate prayer request. Roger ><> ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:54:32 +0000 From: Clive Hayball Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ jy-stewart wrote: > > . _ _ _ > |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com > Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ > _______________ > > > From: Bill Fogtman > > So now that most of us have posted our musical preferences on the > list, > > what do we make of it? It would be interesting to make a tentative > > breakdown of list membership composition, and try and see just WHO > we are. > > Thanks for your breakdown. I am still compiling the top 5's and will > hopefully > get something finished by the end of the weekend. I'll post a list of > people > whose contributions I have this evening and if anyone's not on it > they can > then send me their top 5. > OK, so I suppose it's time for me to cast my vote. My current top 5 CHRISTIAN artists: 1) Iona (of course ! - can't choose any particular album as best) 2) Eden's Bridge (check out their Celtic Psalms album) 3) Michael Card (Unveiled Hope) 4) Dave Fitzgerald (Columcille) 5) Handel's Messiah (I have to agree this is an awesome work, it's down at 5 because I'm not a great lover of classical music). My all-time top 5 NON-CHRISTIAN bands: 1) Yes (inc. ABWH) 2-5) Jethro Tull, Moody Blues, Camel and Renaissance in some order (can't easily choose between them). I expect this would turn out differently next week/month/year. Appreciation of good music is not an objective science ! I await the final results with fascination. - -- ****************************************************************** * Clive Hayball Next Generation Products, * * Nortel plc (Harlow Labs.), * * London Road, * * Harlow, U.K. * * Tel. (01279) 403707 ESN 742 3707. * ****************************************************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:19:59 -0500 From: "Ronald K. Reuse" Subject: Re: iona Top Five & Christian Music . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Do you have a concert schedule for Iona? I've been to their web site, but I don't see it listed. Thanks - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Staunton To: musictus@musictus.com Cc: gordonwnwr@aol.com Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 10:56 AM Subject: Re: iona Top Five & Christian Music >. _ _ _ >|(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com >Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ >_______________ > >Eliohmy@aol.com wrote: > >> to be honest, I have absolutely NO desire to be a part of a >> lifestyle associated with my own past... > >This seems to be a common theme. I'm too young to have been involved in >any of that "wild abandonment" :) of the late 60's and early 70's, so I >really have no wild past to regret, or return to. As a result, I tend >to approach all music uncritically. But you are right, Abe, if it feels >sinful to a person, they should not support it. I cannot, however, >support the position alluded to by others on the list, that secular >music is sinful by virtue of it's unsaved creators. Those artists are >mislead, but I believe that music (ALL music) is a gift from God; >remember Satan never created anything, and he never perverted anything >which cannot be redeemed. Of course being a musician, I'm probably a >bit biased... > >> My own question: I wonder why Iona (or it's agents) have not made more >> effort at getting their music on mainstream Christian radio, or even >> secular/alternative radio? > >It always amazes me how global-centric Americans can be. And Lord >knows, I'm not pointing fingers or being critical, because I'm one too, >and I've wondered the very same thing! Iona is not about America, nor >do they live in America, and Americans are not their target audience. >They are about Ireland and they live and work in Europe. Sure, they >love to play for American audiences, and I'm sure they are grateful for >receiving worldwide distribution, but it's simply not in their best >interests or any American label's best interests to spend money and time >(but especially money) to develop an audience here. And that's what the >traditional purpose of radio is, to reach "critical mass" among regional >audiences and develop "target markets." It sounds awfully cold, but >it's true even in Christian radio. In a lot of ways (speaking as >someone with a degree in Music Business, obtained from a Christian >college) the Christian music market is even more brutal to it's >employees (musicians) and it's audience than the secular market. >Average shelf life of a Christian band? 2 or 3 years (or less). Why? >A "perceived" lack of interest based on marketing figures which are >obtained from absolutely ridiculous places, and often poor management. >This is true in any entertainment industry folks, Christian or >otherwise. Believe me, this pains no one more than me... > >Chris >______________ >To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com >In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona >or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:25:26 -0500 From: "Ronald K. Reuse" Subject: Re: iona Jessica Mydek Story . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Thanks roger. I had just sent the letter on to 5 friends...Of well, the net is like the story that was passed around our church several years ago about the proctor and gamble corp logo. There was no truth to the matter and I checked it out and let the church family know. We as believers are supposed to check out things before we pass them on. Unfortunately, we often do as the world does and just pass on something at face value without checking it out. It is our own fault. We are to be decerning. I'm not mad - just mad at myself for doing what I try to avoid. There is enough confusion in the world already. - -----Original Message----- From: Roger.W.Jones To: musictus@musictus.com Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 11:25 AM Subject: Re: iona Jessica Mydek Story >. _ _ _ >|(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com >Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ >_______________ > >Sorry, > It was sent to me by someone who sends daily scripture verses, and I >don't think they would try and "scam" anyone! > Besides that it looked like a legitimate prayer request. Roger ><> > > >______________ >To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com >In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona >or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:11:04 +0000 (GMT) From: James Stewart Subject: iona Top Fives . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I have compiled all the lists I have received so far. There have been 19 submissions. I have received several submissions via private mail and picked up a few from the list, but not many. Here is a list of whose lists I have: Born2Prayz@aol.com - Laura, aumc@bihs.net - Wes, Kendrck@aol.com, Song85@aol.com - Melanie, B1BLancer@aol.com, Jill in Dallas Charles Crossley Jr., Rick Davis, C. Curtis Engel, Vaughan Granier Trond-Vegar Johansen, Johannes Koch, Jonah Lin, Erik ten Napel Paul Richardson, Nadine Rogers, Chris Staunton, James Stewart Roger Wyatt. If your name/handle is not in this list, please e-mail me your list privately. Some lists I have received have been a mixture of Christian and non-Christian artists, some only Christian artists. I have taken the lists as sent (if two are sent I take the Christian artist list) and so feel free to mix if you wish. If lists have contained Iona, I've removed them and moved everybody below them up one place. I think we all know that Iona are pretty popular around here :) Currently Rich Mullins is topping things, JS Bach is second and Vigilantes of Love, The Choir and Loreena McKennitt are tied for third place. James. - -- James Stewart - james.stewart@charis.co.uk The Britlinks http://www.jesusfreak.com/britlinks/ The Phantom Tollbooth (Associate Editor) http://www.tollbooth.org - -- 'The days they rattle past me, like a tunnel round a train/Landscapes and heartaches, I don't know what I feel/All I know is my condition is worse than I can tell/The small talk and the slow burn and I just wanna get healed' - Mark Heard ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:31:06 +0000 From: Martin Dean Subject: iona Re:Top 5 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi all, although not a cHristian I have seen a few christian bands in my time (10 years of greenbelt) so I'll list five Greenbelt artist who I have enjoyed over the years... 1. Iona 2. Martyn Joseph 3. Kato (or K as they used to be known) 4. Ian Archer 5. PFR as for other artists I like, well the list is long but in general level of liking it goes... Genesis (plus solo works: Collins, Banks, Gabriel, Hackett, Phillips, Rutherford, Mike & The Mechanics), Marillion, Fish, Yes (plus solo: Anderson, Wakeman, Howe, Asia, Jon & Vangelis), Pink Floyd, Billy Joel, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Porcupine Tree, Kate Bush, Clannad, Rush, Capercaille, Dire Straits, Jethro Tull, Sky, Ultravox, The Police etc etc. Martin "The Man In The Coat" Dean Cinema Engineer, Official Genesis Web Site Contributor Martin's bit of the web: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/mdean/ Official Genesis Web Site: http://www.Genesis-Web.com ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:38:04 -0000 From: "Richard Stringer" Subject: Re: iona Top Five & Christian Music . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ > They are about Ireland and they live and work in Europe. Are they ? Richard ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:17:27 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Savoie Subject: iona Iona, Desert Island Discs . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Here's my list, and it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. 1.BTS-Iona 2.BOK-Iona 3.HBS-Iona 4.The Master and Musician-Phil Keaggy 5.The Wind and the Wheat-P Keaggy 6.Beyond Nature-P Keaggy 7.The Last of the Mohicans-soundtrack 8.The Best of Kansas-Kansas 9.The Life-Michael Card 10.Ah Via Musicom-Eric Johnson #s 3 and 9 are double CD sets - so I cheated a little. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:11:44 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona Jessica Mydek Story . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ >. _ _ _ >|(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com >Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ >_______________ > >Sorry, > It was sent to me by someone who sends daily scripture verses, and I >don't think they would try and "scam" anyone! > Besides that it looked like a legitimate prayer request. Roger ><> > >From: dsteph@tc3net.com (Dennis C. Stephens) Subject: Jessica Mydek Letter Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:56:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Dear friends; It has been brought to my attention that the letter I sent you last night rearding the young girl with cancer is a hoax. I was sent the address of the American Cancer Society and went to there website and found the following statement. I am sorry if this mailing caused any inconvience or annoyance to any one. Please forward this information to those you may have fowarded the letter I sent you to. I again apologize sending you the letter without first doing my homework. In Christ; Denny Stephens American Cancer Society www.cancer.org/chain.html Fraudulent Chain Letter This statement may be copied or reprinted by online users. The American Cancer Society is greatly disturbed by reports of a fraudulent chain letter circulating on the internet which lists the American Cancer Society as a "corporate sponsor" but which has in no way been endorsed by the American Cancer Society. There are several variations of this letter in circulation, including one which has a picture of "Tickle Me Elmo" and one that is essentially a paraphrase of the letter below. The text of the original message reads as follows: LITTLE JESSICA MYDEK IS SEVEN YEARS OLD AND IS SUFFERING FROM AN ACUTE AND VERY RARE CASE OF CEREBRAL CARCINOMA. THIS CONDITION CAUSES SEVERE MALIGNANT BRAIN TUMORS AND IS A TERMINAL ILLNESS. THE DOCTORS HAVE GIVEN HER SIX MONTHS TO LIVE. AS PART OF HER DYING WISH, SHE WANTED TO START A CHAIN LETTER TO INFORM PEOPLE OF THIS CONDITION AND TO SEND PEOPLE THE MESSAGE TO LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST AND ENJOY EVERY MOMENT, A CHANCE THAT SHE WILL NEVER HAVE. FURTHERMORE, THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY AND SEVERAL CORPORATE SPONSORS HAVE AGREED TO DONATE THREE CENTS TOWARD CONTINUING CANCER RESEARCH FOR EVERY NEW PERSON THAT GETS FORWARDED THIS MESSAGE. PLEASE GIVE JESSICA AND ALL CANCER VICTIMS A CHANCE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, SEND THEM TO THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY AT ACS@AOL.COM As far as the American Cancer Society can determine, the story of Jessica Mydek is completely unsubstantiated. No fundraising efforts are being made by the American Cancer Society using chain letters of any kind. Furthermore, the email address ACS@AOL.COM is inactive. Any messages to the American Cancer Society should be instead sent through the American Cancer Society website at http://www.cancer.org. This particular chain letter with its heartbreaking story appears to have struck an emotional chord with online users. Although we are very concerned that the American Cancer Society's name has been used to manipulate the online public, we applaud the good intentions of all who participated in this letter. We are pleased to note that there are so many caring individuals out there and hope that they will find another way to support cancer research. Jessica Mydek's story, whether true or false, is representative of that of many cancer patients who benefit daily from the efforts of legitimate cancer organizations nationwide >______________ >To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com >In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona >or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:47:49 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona Re:Top 5 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi Martin, I was once NOT a Christian too, but now that I am, it's the BEST decision in your life, you'll EVER make. Read "Psalm 149 and 150" in the book of Psalms about music & musicians. That is one reason Terl named his album "Psalm" because he IS a "Psalmist", and a very gifted one at that. Then get into the New Testament in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to find out who Jesus is and WHY He came and died for my sins and YOUR sins. Jesus LOVES YOU Martin, if you had been the only one on this planet, He STILL would have come here and DIED for YOU, because He is no respector of persons, meaning He loves YOU just as much as the greatest evangelist, or most popular person you can think of. Come to think of it, the most popular person I can think of NEEDS to get SAVED. It's really simple, "believe in your heart in the Lord Jesus", "repent of all your sin" and "ask Him into your heart" ... you must believe: First- Know that He IS the Son of God, He came from a virgin birth (to be that spotless Lamb). That He Lived a SINLESS life, was crucified on a cross for everyones sins. His BLOOD ultimately PAID the price for ALL SIN! He was buried, and went to hell in OUR place, DEFEATING the devil (satan) OPENLY, and He took back the keys to "death", "hell" and "the grave". Triumphing over satan, He AROSE from the grave after the 3rd day, and ascended to God the Father, where He sits on His right hand, ever interceeding for US. Second- ask God to forgive you of ALL your sins, you don't have to name them, He knows what they are if you had never repented (turned away from) before...but the really neat thing is He FORGETS them after you repent. He casts them as far as the East is to the West! And they never meet, do they? That's GOOD news, He no longer holds those against you. Third- ASK Jesus to come LIVE inside of your heart (spirit) Fourth- Go TELL some of your Christian friends, or anybody for that matter what you just did. Write us back!!! Fifth- Go to a good Bible believing Church, get planted and give over your talents for God's use. That wasn't too hard to do now was it? "Believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth, that Jesus is LORD!!!" And when you've done that, the Angels Rejoice! The Bible say that they are throwing a Party for YOU, Martin! Glory to God, and Welcome to the Family of God!!! Roger ><> ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:49:52 -0800 (PST) From: Manish Daswani Subject: iona 5 and 1/2 :-) . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I guess I saw enough of top 5s go by that I'd let everyone know mine...here goes.. 1. Sixpence None the Richer: This Beautiful Mess 2. Iona: Beyond these Shores 3. Iona: Journey Into the Morn 4. Sixpence None the Richer: Fatherless and the Widow 5. Sixpence None the Richer: Tickets for a Prayer Wheel 5 1/2 R.E.M: Automatic for the People ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:27:43 -0500 (EST) From: Born2Prayz@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Top Five & Christian Music . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Dear Abe (Eliohmy): I want to make the statement that I NEVER said that listening to secular music is a sin...for me or for anybody else. What I said was that secular music was HINDERING my walk with the Lord. So I ASKED the Lord to remove my desire for it....and HE did. REPEAT----- HE (as in JESUS) did. That was an answer to MY prayer....I never meant to imply that it should necessarily be that way for everybody else. As a matter of fact, I have a dear friend who is loves to worship the Lord by singing certain Whitney Houston songs to Him....you think I'm gonna judge that??? NO way. I also know something about that Grace you mentioned and I long to understand more and more of that. I know that someday I might not be the way I am now, only liking Christian music....but I've been this way 5-7 yrs...and I am beginning to think it's gonna stick! :) Peace of Christ to you, Laura (Born2Prayz@AOL.com) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:43:56 -0800 From: Christine Reulbach Subject: iona Digest offer . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Dear IonaSphere, Hey everyone it is GREAT to see how busy the list is lately. I am the type who doesn't have time to read my Email every day, and lately things've been hectic, so I haven't read my Iona mail since November 6th. After removing everything non-Iona, and the Iona digests (I get both lists - regular & digest), I was amazed to find 140 Iona listserv postings from November 6th through 14th (9 days, and today (the 14th) isn't even over yet). That's pretty darn amazing. OK, I have an offer to make. Not sure if this is of interest to anyone, but I have saved all of the Iona digests since I subscribed to the digest form of the listserv. This includes *both* the old listserv managed by Ron Lindeboom, and the new one (this one) run by Walter Aresca. These range from January 3rd 1997 to the present. My offer is that if anyone would like to have copies of any prior Iona listserv digests, I would be willing to forward some of these. There is no way (timewise) for me to be able to provide any summary info about the contents of particular digests, or what threads were discussed, but I can send them easily based on dates originally sent. It may even be possible, if you know the name of a thread, for me to try searching for this thread and then forward the digests which contain that thread (and others around the same time). If anyone wants this (serious requests only), please Email me privately (do not reply to the Iona listserv) and start the subject with "Digest request". My Email address is: reulbach@nji.com. Or, if your browser/Email program supports it, click here to Email me: mailto:reulbach@nji.com If I get bombarded with too many requests (which I don't expect, but who knows) I may regret making this offer, and may be forced to rescind it. But for now the offer stands. I will let the list know how many (if any) requests I got. Again, do NOT send requests for old disgests to the listserv, only to me personally. Yours truly, enjoying Iona's music, and in His glory, Dennis Reulbach (aka "bassman822" on AOL Instant Messenger (Internet version for non-AOL members)) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #29 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html