iona-digest Friday, November 14 1997 Volume 97 : Number 028 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:58:25 -0000 From: jy-stewart Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ > From: Bill Fogtman > So now that most of us have posted our musical preferences on the list, > what do we make of it? It would be interesting to make a tentative > breakdown of list membership composition, and try and see just WHO we are. Thanks for your breakdown. I am still compiling the top 5's and will hopefully get something finished by the end of the weekend. I'll post a list of people whose contributions I have this evening and if anyone's not on it they can then send me their top 5. > Now for a request: could someone please compile a list of around 5 > Christian artists whose MUSIC would definitively, positively, without a > doubt, be appreciated by those of us who are not familiar with Christian > music, and using Iona and prog music as guidelines. I'm sure that many of > us have never heard of King's X, Sixpence..., and others mentioned lately, > but my curiosity, at least, is getting the better of me. It would be nice > to have some orientation on this, and also on where to find this music. I'll try and include some links when I post the list. James. - -------------- James Stewart - http://www.jesusfreak.com/britlinks/james/ The Britlinks Christian Music Industry Discussion - http://www.jesusfreak.com/britlinks/ E-Mail james.stewart@charis.co.uk or jy-stewart@beacon.e-sussex.sch.uk ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:53:21 +0100 From: "jamesdooms@wtvw.com" Subject: iona Top 5 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hello, everyone. I have not commented before, but have found most of the conversation interesting. So, keeping the Top 5 thing going, here is mine. This was hard, because I don't have a single favorite band. But if I did, Iona would be a front-runner. Anyway, here goes: In no particular order: IONA My current play is the Live CD set, which if you have not heard STRAIGHT THROUGH, you are MISSING it! Phil Keaggy Resurrection Band Jerusalem Argyle Park But I really like Margaret Becker, Steve Taylor, White Cross...etc also. Please consider the following: I live in the Evansville, Indiana area. A friend of mine operates a small concert club. He has featured bands such as Sixpence None the Richer, Blenderhead and MXPX. I think he even had Jars of Clay there once. He and I were talking about organizing an IONA concert (this took place BEFORE the announcement of time off). We thought it might be a good idea to follow the Cornerstone Festival in Illinois, due to it's close(?) proximity. This would save time, getting the group back to the UK as soon as possible. Evansville is equally distanced from Indianapolis, Indiana; St. Louis, Missouri; Louisville, Kentucky and Nashville, Tennessee. The draw from the larger cities may even warrant an outdoor concert, which would be preferable anyway. Now... I realize that IONA is not touring right now, enjoying some well deserved time off. Trust me, I know the value of family time. I do not want this to be a hindrance. I simply would like to know if there is anyone on this list that does live in the areas mentioned above, that would drive the distance to Evansville to hear Iona. I know of people that drove from those cities to hear Petra a few years back (the days of Greg Volz) and more recently, to pack Roberts Stadium to the brim for Carman. KISS couldn't even pull that off! I know we all would like to have Iona appear in our area. Few of us in the U. S. will have that opportunity. But hey, if Evansville can get Elton John AND the Beach Boys AND Chicago to come here in less than a MONTH's time... who knows? We think it is worth a shot. Let me know what you think. Just don't flood me with hate e-mail concerning the scarcity of concert dates in the U. S. I already am fully aware of that. with much thanks for reading this lengthy e-mail, James Dooms jamesdooms@wtvw.com ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:40:47 -0500 (EST) From: Eliohmy@aol.com Subject: iona Top Five & Christian Music . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ OK, so I've lurked too long. Here are some comments from another Iona fan. RE: Only Christian Music... I too admire the tenacity of some who have decided to listen to only "Christian" music. But in the spirit of what Paul (the apostle) wrote, I simply accept that it is sin to you and accept that for others it is not. It used to be for me, until I began to understand the incredible power of Grace. When I understood that it is not an external law at work upon me, but that now because of an indwelling Spirit I have a greater "law" at work IN me, such items as satanic lyrics and the like no longer attracted me. I still enjoy occasionally listening to my local oldies radio station and remember the great music of Yes, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, etc. But to be honest, I have absolutely NO desire to be a part of a lifestyle associated with my own past, or to participate in the lifestyle of many current pop artists, even if I can enjoy their stuff too. I'm not focused on how bad it could be if I were to follow the way of destruction exhibited in their lives. Rather I accept, the beauty and the truth (if any) which is evident in their music and which is ultimately a creation of God, whether the artist realized it or not. E-mail me directly if you have more questions. RE: Top five Christian artists who non-Christians can appreciate. I work in Christian radio and I can tell you that "non-Christians" enjoy the weirdest things. In fact, I believe most Southern Gospel music fans (and I’m sure many of us consider ourselves that) are probably not really believers. It's kind of a cultural thing. Sandi Patti is/was probably the best example of an artists who's blatantly Christian lyrics still appealed to a wider audience. I would caution against believing that we have just the thing that others might want (other than the Gospel itself, since God built us with a need for relationship with Him) Too often people end up wanting just the opposite. My own question: I wonder why Iona (or it's agents) have not made more effort at getting their music on mainstream Christian radio, or even secular/alternative radio? I know to others it may seem like selling out for the sake of fame, but in truth radio is still the best vehicle for showcasing music, and if you have a message you want the world to hear, shouldn't you be busy using that vehicle? To pretend that any music is just so good that it will simply rise to the top is wrong. (If you build it they will come) The Bible even says, "how will they know unless they hear?" It wouldn't take much; just a song or two that was a bit more mainstream friendly and then people would understand the power of Iona's music when they get the album. I live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area and I can't say that I've ever heard an Iona song on the radio. (They station I work for is more of an Adult Contemporary station and Iona does not currently fit the format) If you're a fan of Rich Mullins, remember that it was radio that made it possible for people to hear his incredible music. Sure, some of the "radio-ready" tunes were weaker in content at first, but once he was accepted and played, he could release songs of incredible depth and power that had never been heard before. Iona's music has that potential. It needs only to get a toe-hold and begin the climb. I have enjoyed the posting thus far and really think there is a great group of folks assembled in this list. Abe Martinez. ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:38:04 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: iona Pass this on to other Christians & pray . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Subject: FW: Please read and forward. Sorry about repeated messages. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You know I'm a softy for helping people. >>>>>Love, >>>>>Erika >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Mat Kostrinsky [SMTP:matk@jps.net] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 2:15 AM >>>>>> To: acs@aol.com >>>>>> Subject: Please read and forward. Sorry about repeated messages. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>Subject: 7 yr old cancer patient >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>FWD7 yr old cancer patient >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Subject: American Cancer Soc. - a final wish >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>No comedy here. It's about a seven year old girl with cancer. Read >>>>>> it >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>pass it on to as many people that you can. Occasionally we get to >>>>>> use >>>>>> this >>>>>> >>>>medium for some actual good, rather than trading barbs across the >>>>>> waves. >>>>>> >>>>And once in a while things like this bring us back to reality, >>>>>> allowing us >>>>>> >>>>to count ourselves lucky in life. Let's put our network to work >>>>>> here! >>>>>> It >>>>>> >>>>will only take you a second to send this message. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> ************************************************* >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Jessica Mydek is seven years old and is suffering from an acute >>>>>> and >>>>>> very >>>>>> >>>>rare case of cerebral carcinoma. This condition causes severe >>>>>> malignant >>>>>> >>>>brain tumors and is a terminal illness. The doctors have given >>>>>> her six >>>>>> >>>>months to live. As part of her dying wish, she wanted to start a >>>>>> chain >>>>>> >>>>letter to inform people of this condition and to send People the >>>>>> message to >>>>>> >>>>live life to the fullest and enjoy every moment, a chance that she >>>>>> will >>>>>> >>>>never have. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Furthermore, the Aamerican Cancer Society and several Corporate >>>>>> sponsors >>>>>> >>>>have agreed to donate three cents toward continuing cancer >>>>>> research for >>>>>> >>>>every new person that gets forwarded this message. Please give >>>>>> Jessica >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>all cancer victims a chance . >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Add acs@aol.com to the list of people that you send this to so >>>>>> that >>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>American Cancer Society will be able to calculate how many people >>>>>> have >>>>>> >>>>gotten this. If there are any questions, send them to the >>>>>> American >>>>>> Cancer >>>>>> >>>>Society at acs@aol.com >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Three cents for every person that receives this letter turns out >>>>>> to be >>>>>> a >>>>>> >>>>lot of money considering how many people will get this letter and >>>>>> how >>>>>> many >>>>>> >>>>people they, in turn, pass it on to. Please go ahead and forward >>>>>> it to >>>>>> >>>>whoever you know- it really doesn't take much to help out. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>Francisco Trujillo >>>>>> >>trujillo@uclink4.berkeley.edu >>>>>> >>UC Berkeley >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Anthony Solana Jr. >>>>>> >Hermanos Unidos Alumni Chair >>>>>> >Cal-SERVE Signator >>>>>> >McNairs Scholar >>>>>> >510-524-3111 home >>>>>> >510-929-1069 pgr. >>>>>> >solana@uclink4.berkeley.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>laurel@jpusa1.chi.il.us >>>> >>>>Psalm 30:1-5,11-12 >>>> >>>>I will exault you, Oh Lord, for you lifted me out of the depths and did not >>>>let my enemies gloat over me. Oh Lord my God, I called to you for help and >>>>you healed me. Oh Lord, you brought me up from the grave, you spared me >>>>from going down into the pit. >>>>Sing to the Lord you saints of His; praise His holy name. For his anger >>>>lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime; weeping may remain for >>>>a night, but rejoicing comes in the morning. >>>> >>>>You turned my wailing into dancing; you removed my sackcloth and clothed me >>>>with joy, that my heart may sing to you and not be silent. Oh Lord my God, >>>>I will give you thanks forever... >>>> >>> >> > ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:39:40 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: iona pass on to MANY Christians & PRAY . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Subject: FW: Please read and forward. Sorry about repeated messages. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You know I'm a softy for helping people. >>>>>Love, >>>>>Erika >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Mat Kostrinsky [SMTP:matk@jps.net] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 2:15 AM >>>>>> To: acs@aol.com >>>>>> Subject: Please read and forward. Sorry about repeated messages. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>Subject: 7 yr old cancer patient >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>FWD7 yr old cancer patient >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Subject: American Cancer Soc. - a final wish >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>No comedy here. It's about a seven year old girl with cancer. Read >>>>>> it >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>pass it on to as many people that you can. Occasionally we get to >>>>>> use >>>>>> this >>>>>> >>>>medium for some actual good, rather than trading barbs across the >>>>>> waves. >>>>>> >>>>And once in a while things like this bring us back to reality, >>>>>> allowing us >>>>>> >>>>to count ourselves lucky in life. Let's put our network to work >>>>>> here! >>>>>> It >>>>>> >>>>will only take you a second to send this message. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> ************************************************* >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Jessica Mydek is seven years old and is suffering from an acute >>>>>> and >>>>>> very >>>>>> >>>>rare case of cerebral carcinoma. This condition causes severe >>>>>> malignant >>>>>> >>>>brain tumors and is a terminal illness. The doctors have given >>>>>> her six >>>>>> >>>>months to live. As part of her dying wish, she wanted to start a >>>>>> chain >>>>>> >>>>letter to inform people of this condition and to send People the >>>>>> message to >>>>>> >>>>live life to the fullest and enjoy every moment, a chance that she >>>>>> will >>>>>> >>>>never have. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Furthermore, the Aamerican Cancer Society and several Corporate >>>>>> sponsors >>>>>> >>>>have agreed to donate three cents toward continuing cancer >>>>>> research for >>>>>> >>>>every new person that gets forwarded this message. Please give >>>>>> Jessica >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>all cancer victims a chance . >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Add acs@aol.com to the list of people that you send this to so >>>>>> that >>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>American Cancer Society will be able to calculate how many people >>>>>> have >>>>>> >>>>gotten this. If there are any questions, send them to the >>>>>> American >>>>>> Cancer >>>>>> >>>>Society at acs@aol.com >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>Three cents for every person that receives this letter turns out >>>>>> to be >>>>>> a >>>>>> >>>>lot of money considering how many people will get this letter and >>>>>> how >>>>>> many >>>>>> >>>>people they, in turn, pass it on to. Please go ahead and forward >>>>>> it to >>>>>> >>>>whoever you know- it really doesn't take much to help out. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>Francisco Trujillo >>>>>> >>trujillo@uclink4.berkeley.edu >>>>>> >>UC Berkeley >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Anthony Solana Jr. >>>>>> >Hermanos Unidos Alumni Chair >>>>>> >Cal-SERVE Signator >>>>>> >McNairs Scholar >>>>>> >510-524-3111 home >>>>>> >510-929-1069 pgr. >>>>>> >solana@uclink4.berkeley.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>laurel@jpusa1.chi.il.us >>>> >>>>Psalm 30:1-5,11-12 >>>> >>>>I will exault you, Oh Lord, for you lifted me out of the depths and did not >>>>let my enemies gloat over me. Oh Lord my God, I called to you for help and >>>>you healed me. Oh Lord, you brought me up from the grave, you spared me >>>>from going down into the pit. >>>>Sing to the Lord you saints of His; praise His holy name. For his anger >>>>lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime; weeping may remain for >>>>a night, but rejoicing comes in the morning. >>>> >>>>You turned my wailing into dancing; you removed my sackcloth and clothed me >>>>with joy, that my heart may sing to you and not be silent. Oh Lord my God, >>>>I will give you thanks forever... >>>> >>> >> > ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:51:49 -0000 From: "Nainby, Andrew" Subject: iona Jessica Mydek Story . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ I regret to inform friends on this list that the Jessica Mydek letter is a hoax. There have been several cases like this going round, so I checked out the ACS web site: http://www.cancer.org/cgi-bin/select.cgi I don't know who is behind this sad fraud, but it takes advantage of people's good will and exploits their emotions. Please, I am not criticising anyone who has forwarded the letter - I know your intentions were honourable, but we should remember that wisdom and discernment are important for Christians today. Andrew Nainby ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:16:34 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi Bill, I'll name some of my favorites, styles ranging from progressive rock to pop to "heavenly" metal and everywhere in between. These are NOT in order of preference, just when I thought of each one! IONA (duh!) Idle Cure (NOT "the cure", they are secular) Steven Curtis Chapman Michael W. Smith Michael Sweet (not related to Matthew, he's secular too) Stryper (a very BIG influence in getting me back to the LORD, I included them in my original Top 5) White Heart Fear Not Guardian Angelica Jeff Scheetz (Awesome Yamaha guitar rep, with 3 instrumental tapes so far) White Cross King James (with Rex Carroll ex-WhiteCross, and Robert Sweet, Tim Gaines ex-Stryper) Ransom Rage of Angels (I'm listening to them right now! ... Great Metal Band) Seriah Barren Cross Bloodgood Fighter Amy Wolter (ex-Fighter lead vocalist) Rachael Rachael Scarlet Red Bryan Duncan DC Talk DeGarmo & Key Al Denson Benny Hester All Hosanna Integrity Music, Vineyard, Rhema Singers & Band (Praise & Worship) Tourniquet (for those who like speed metal, I don't prefer it, but from a musicians standpoint, these guys are GOOD) How's that for a start? Most are metal, but I'm Rockin' for Christ, Roger ><> Drummer for Living Word Family Church Praise Band, and H.I.S. (Honor In Serving) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:31:47 +0100 From: Mark Goodge Subject: Re: iona Pass this on to other Christians & pray . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 09:38 AM 11/14/97 -0400, Roger wrote: > >Subject: FW: Please read and forward. Sorry about repeated messages. No! Please don't! The "Jessica Mydek" chain letter is a hoax. There is no such person, and the America Cancer Society have issued a statement repudiating it. Please read http://www.cancer.org/chain.html Mark ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:32:48 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona Top 5 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ James, I had the pleasure of having them come to the Tidewater VA area, earlier this summer, and they were AWESOME. I just "happened" (yeah, right) to be driving my other vehicle (it HAS a radio that works) and all of a sudden I heard part of "Irish Day" and "Trilogy" by IONA and then they said coming next week to Kempsville Presbyterian Church in Virginia Beach, Live in Concert "IONA"!!! Needless to say it was on a Church night also, but I got permission to go. I'm the ONLY drummer at my church, but they realized how much this meant to me...so they said they would worship from a CD or something, so our bass player also got to go too! It was totally cooo-ahl. I was very impressed that they sounded that GREAT in a live situation, certain songs had some sequencing done because Terl was giving signals for some of the players at times, and he was listening to headphones. Probably a click-track! But still, it was AWESOME!!! You could really sense the Lord's presence, L8r! Rockin' for Christ, Roger ><> Drummer for Living Word Family Church Praise Band, and H.I.S. (Honor In Serving) ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:40:01 -0500 From: Chris Staunton Subject: Re: iona Top Five & Christian Music . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Eliohmy@aol.com wrote: > to be honest, I have absolutely NO desire to be a part of a > lifestyle associated with my own past... This seems to be a common theme. I'm too young to have been involved in any of that "wild abandonment" :) of the late 60's and early 70's, so I really have no wild past to regret, or return to. As a result, I tend to approach all music uncritically. But you are right, Abe, if it feels sinful to a person, they should not support it. I cannot, however, support the position alluded to by others on the list, that secular music is sinful by virtue of it's unsaved creators. Those artists are mislead, but I believe that music (ALL music) is a gift from God; remember Satan never created anything, and he never perverted anything which cannot be redeemed. Of course being a musician, I'm probably a bit biased... > My own question: I wonder why Iona (or it's agents) have not made more > effort at getting their music on mainstream Christian radio, or even > secular/alternative radio? It always amazes me how global-centric Americans can be. And Lord knows, I'm not pointing fingers or being critical, because I'm one too, and I've wondered the very same thing! Iona is not about America, nor do they live in America, and Americans are not their target audience. They are about Ireland and they live and work in Europe. Sure, they love to play for American audiences, and I'm sure they are grateful for receiving worldwide distribution, but it's simply not in their best interests or any American label's best interests to spend money and time (but especially money) to develop an audience here. And that's what the traditional purpose of radio is, to reach "critical mass" among regional audiences and develop "target markets." It sounds awfully cold, but it's true even in Christian radio. In a lot of ways (speaking as someone with a degree in Music Business, obtained from a Christian college) the Christian music market is even more brutal to it's employees (musicians) and it's audience than the secular market. Average shelf life of a Christian band? 2 or 3 years (or less). Why? A "perceived" lack of interest based on marketing figures which are obtained from absolutely ridiculous places, and often poor management. This is true in any entertainment industry folks, Christian or otherwise. Believe me, this pains no one more than me... Chris ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #28 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html