iona-digest Friday, November 14 1997 Volume 97 : Number 027 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:26:49 -0000 From: "Nainby, Andrew" Subject: iona Desert Island Discs . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Being a pedant I should point out that the traditional format of desert island discs is to pick eight favourite tracks, but as that's a lot harder than ten favourite albums I'll go with the flow. However, I'll stick to the convention of only one per artiste to avoid Iona-dominance 8-) 1. Messiah - Handel (got to be the greatest piece of music written, ever, and besides, its kind of appropriate to have the Messiah as No 1) 2. Live and in the Can - Deliriou5? (live worship at its sensational best) 3. Journey Into the Morn - Iona 4. 80-f - After the Fire (including the best ever song title: Who' gonna love you when you're old and fat and ugly) 5. Solo - Adrian Snell (difficult choice ahead of Father, Exile, Alpha & Omega) 6. Psalm - Terl 7. Psalms and Spiritual Songs - Andy Piercey & David Clifton (feat Terl, Troy, Tim) 8. London Symphony - Vaughan Williams 9. Magnificat - Bach 10. Snow Goose - Camel And even that doesn't allow me any Renaissance (Ashes are burning), Clannad (Past and present), Barclay James Harvest (Everyone is everybody else), Ismael and Andy, Skyrider, Dire Straits, Moral Support, Beethoven, Vivaldi or Schumann. In fact, please leave me off the desert island - I like too much music! Andrew Nainby ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:33:55 -0500 (EST) From: Born2Prayz@aol.com Subject: Re: iona top 5 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Well, as long as everybody's having such fun, I might as well jump in! My top five are 1) Rich Mullins 2) Iona 3) Petra 4) Randy Stonehill 5) Margaret Becker Thinking on this little list of mine makes me see that I need to explore new musical avenues...especially since my most dear choice has gone to sing in a higher venue! There always was a debate in myself over Mullins and Iona...so really, now Iona is #1 by forfeiture! I really appreciate this whole Top Five idea, because I have seen some bands mentioned several times, like Mark Heard (who is new to me, even if he is gone), Steve Taylor & Guardian. I plan to check them out soon. You may notice that I only have Christain-oriented bands on my list; I suppose that is because years ago my walk with the Lord was sorta "hindered" by the secular music I listened to, and I asked the Lord to help me...and He did. Now, if Jesus isnt mentioned SOMEWHERE in the mix, I dont want to hear it. :) (Well, I can except Mozart, I guess) Laura Born2Prayz@AOL.com ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:50:53 +0200 From: Vaughan Granier Subject: Re: iona top 5 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ At 08:33 AM 13/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >You may notice that I only have Christain-oriented bands on my list; I >suppose that is because years ago my walk with the Lord was sorta "hindered" >by the secular music I listened to, and I asked the Lord to help me...and He >did. Now, if Jesus isnt mentioned SOMEWHERE in the mix, I dont want to hear >it. :) (Well, I can except Mozart, I guess) This is an incredibly strong stand to take, and I respect it. Music pulls me and draws me in like nothing else, and like you, I have battled on occasions and had to face the fact that the power of music over me has had something to do with it. Your decision, from one audiophile to another, is greatly respected by me - and God's grace to carry it out is amazing... VAUGHAN Go lasa an ghlo/ir De/ cosa/n as do chuid am ata/ caite chuig do thodhchai/, agus go raibh an t-am i la/thair gan sca/th i la/thair A a/illeacht. "May God's glory light a path from your past into your future, and may your present be shadowless in the presence of His beauty." ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:02:58 -0500 (EST) From: Born2Prayz@aol.com Subject: Re: iona top 5 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Dear Vaughan: I do believe you give me too much credit...as I mentioned in my post...THE LORD helped me, and HE simply took away the desire for or appeal of secular music. I wasn't expecting that to happen, it just did! God bless you in your walk in the Lord! And thank the Lord for groups like Iona, who let folks like me enjoy truly EXCELLENT music! Laura ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:13:21 -0200 From: Bill Fogtman Subject: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi Folks, So now that most of us have posted our musical preferences on the list, what do we make of it? It would be interesting to make a tentative breakdown of list membership composition, and try and see just WHO we are. Here is my humble contribution. >From what I've been seeing, we have a majority (not overwhelming, it seems) of Christian music appreciaters, as evidenced by all those who have mentioned a wide variety of Christian artists that have not made it to the secular scene, and are therefore not known to the general public. I checked up on quite a few on CDNow and CDWorld, and couldn't find most. Then, we have a transition group, of which I could be considered a part of, of Christians who are not necessarily Christian music enthusiasts, and like Iona for the excellence of their music and musicianship, the prog/celtic/folk elements of their compositions, as well as for the religiously inspired lyrics. I suspect that most members of this group will be refugees from the prog music scene of the '70s, who are now in their late'30s to mid 40s, and have found, or are striving for, Peace, through and with God. Nowadays, in terms of music, they need something better than an aging Yes or Genesis to satisfy them, and consider Iona to be the natural evolution of this kind of music. (Pause: I personally continue to be amazed when listening to BoK and BTS, and the historical religious aspects of Iona inspiration - do any of the other Christian artists mentioned play with similar themes?) A third group would be the prog music faction, that are turned on to Iona because of the music, and not the religious content. I have a feeling that this faction will tend to grow in the future, if not on the list at least as a following for Iona. This group includes our loyal atheists (is this how you spell it? I don't know, they're hard to find down here south of the equator), amongst any others who do not fit into the first 2 categories. What's really great, though, is that through the music of Iona we are able to reach out and communicate with people of such obviously different backgrounds, and find something in common that makes us friends, and bonds us together into a tight, well formed cybercommunity. What a fantastic feeling it is to log into the mail server 2-3 times a day and read the latest posts from all around the world, from people you KNOW that exist, even though you've never met them (and in most cases probably never will), and that even so they have thoughts and feelings they want to share with you, and you with them! Having got that off my chest, on to other things: 1) Chris, Michael Hedges is a guitarist who plays steel-string acoustic only, and is a uniquely gifted composer and performer. He is part of the Windham Hill lineup, and has been classified as "New Age", though I personally put him in a class by himself. Definitively worth checking up on. Live on the Double Planet is a good starting point, as well as Strings of Steel, a compilation from his earlier works. 2) B1BLancer has Nightnoise on his/her list. Another Windham Hill "New Age" group, with Celtic and Eastern Europoean influence, an exquisite choice of instruments, and excellent renderings of traditional and original themes. Very soothing for the soul. Also to be highly recommended for all who like Iona. BTW, I have BoK on my CD-Rom as I write this, and there are parts that bring Nightnoise to mind. 3) Echolyn has been brought up from time to time on this list, on Ron's former Iona List, as well as on the Yes NFTE list and other prog lists. They are an interesting mixture, at first listen, of Genesis and Gentle Giant, with some undertones of Jethro Tull and others. But when you get deeper into the music and lyrics you find that these are only their influences, and that their music is in itself very original. Unfortunately, after Suffocating the Bloom, their best (independent) album in my opinion, they signed on with Sony and got a bad deal, and eventually broke up. As the World can still be found at CDNow and CDWorld, as well as When the Sweet Turns Sour, independently released after they broke up, with songs that were never properly finished, and 2 bonus live cuts. Finneus Gauge, an Echolyn offshoot, is coming on strong in Philly and Jersey, and have just signed a distribution contract that will put their first album in major stores in the U.S. I admit that not everybody on this list can get into Echolyn, but I do recommend them to diehard prog fans. Now for a request: could someone please compile a list of around 5 Christian artists whose MUSIC would definitively, positively, without a doubt, be appreciated by those of us who are not familiar with Christian music, and using Iona and prog music as guidelines. I'm sure that many of us have never heard of King's X, Sixpence..., and others mentioned lately, but my curiosity, at least, is getting the better of me. It would be nice to have some orientation on this, and also on where to find this music. Thanxs! Sorry for using up so much bandwidth (?), but when I start it's hard to stop, which is one reason why I prefer to lurk more than write! Tchau, Bill in Brazil ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:33:46 +0200 From: Hubert Jakobs Subject: Re: iona Some Thoughts on List Membership . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi! I am also one that listens exclusively to Christian music. Although I "lived" in music from 1968-1981, after my conversion there has been a distinct separation. And now I am again over head and ears in music, publishing a Christian music magazine, hosting music programs on radio, distributing Christian music in our country etc. As a former huge prog rock fan I would recommend to Bill and others the following Christian artists: Kerry Livgren/AD (every prog fan knows Kansas, and AD is just a continuation of the best parts of Kansas, "Art of the State" from 1985 is without a doubt their masterpiece, also Kerry's solo albums are worth to be checked out) Adam Again, Over The Rhine, The 77s, Rick Wakeman, Sixpence None The Richer, Saviour Machine, Fourth Estate etc. Most of them are obtainable from various on-line music stores, like: http://www.markomarketing.com/rocksolid/ http://www.radrockers.com/main.html http://www.clearlight.com/~cross/ http://www.truetunes.com/ I am distributing Livgren/AD stuff, Rick Wakeman, Saviour Machine, Fourth Estate etc., so I am ready to help in case of difficulty. Best regards Hubert from Estonia ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:41:11 -0400 From: "Roger.W.Jones" Subject: Re: iona top 5 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Laura (in response to Vaughn), I didn't get the original letter that you were responding to, but here is some input on the area of listening to secular music. I have been rather shocked by seeing so many references to "secular" music as being in their "Top 5" in the IONA Top 5 list. It is rather long because I believe the Lord wants me to say this for many people's benefit because they are struggling. I appologize again for the lengthiness of this thread, or should I say yarn?!! It's getting thick! This was a HUGE ISSUE the Lord dealt with me about too. I played drums to this stuff for 12 years. I almost QUIT playing, right before I rededicated my life to Jesus. Now I play for the LORD JESUS CHRIST! And to & for Him only! One day in '86, I was in my room after going to a seminar on the "truth behind back-masking and rock-n-roll", and I was going through my albums. I was looking for any "symbology" that I had been acquainted with at the seminar. Well most of my albums, had some sort of symbology very similar, if not exactly what they showed us. I had some of the same groups. For example, some bands had some sort of a crystal ball somewhere on the cover or inside sleeve, etc. Even some record label logos had one in it. Sometimes they were hidden, sometimes they were right there in your face. Also from what I've read in various rock magazines over the years, both of those bands have openly admitted to participating in witchcraft. In fact the women fronting both of these bands were quoted as being self proclaimed witches. Oh we're only "White witches" so they said, but none the less...witches. Then there were the bands with the pentagrams, goats heads, inverted crosses, or other satanic emblems. Then there was new-age, and they believe in all kinds of gods, instead of ONE Almighty Creator God. And we know that our God is a jealous God! What does all this have to do with IONA, you're asking? I thought they were new-age too. I'm so relieved that they ARE CHRISTIANS. First of all I love IONA's music, and have ALL of their CD's, and got to see them once in concert already! So bear with me in what I'm about to say... A few years ago, a Christian bookstore employee told me, their boss said IONA was a "new-age" band because they were mostly instrumental, and their store wasn't gonna handle their merchandise ... I LOVE IONA, and I know they are NOT new-age, they love JESUS!!! So now that that's "clear as mud", judge for yourself what you should or shouldn't listen to. I missed a blessing by NOT hearing IONA myself to make that decision, instead I listened to the advice of a friend. Ironically that is the SAME place where I ordered all 5 CD's from! Now, I'm NOT saying that ALL these secular musicians, are going to go to hell, but some of them definatly are LEADING people on hell's pathway of death and destruction. I'm not to judge, but I know which way I WAS headed, and that kind of music didn't help. Just because someone wears a "cross" doesn't mean they are Christians either. Someone told me one day that they were a Christian, and they wanted me to paint a mural on the front of their car of this certain band. I asked, why are you listening to that stuff? And their response was, well he's wearing a "cross" so he's a Christian, therefore I'm listening to his music, and he even has a song with the Lord's Prayer in it. I had been shown what was actually on that particular album, and forwards it WAS the Lord's Prayer, but backwards it was clearly blasphemous. Now before everyone flames me for this, by saying "I never listen to my records backwards..." I'm not a doctor, but let me explain that the human brain "processes" and stores everything it sees, hears, etc. and it can manipulate it forwards, backwards, sideways, upside-down etc. If you don't believe me, go back to the human eye diagram from high school. Remember the candle? In reality it is right-side-up, the eye sees it upside-down because of the shape of the lens, and then the brain "flips" it right-side-up again. Same goes for sound, or subliminal messages. The Holy Spirit quickened me on this just now, as He did that very same day I destroyed all my secular stuff. I just grabbed each one (with the cover still on), and broke it over my knee, while saying "In Jesus name, I break this curse!" I'm NOT telling everyone that they HAVE to destroy their record collection, but if you ASK God what He wants, and you DO decide to do something about it, it's a much greater reward to flat out burn, break them, or (rip the tape out of them, if it's a cassette)!!! Take NOT the silver or gold (don't sell), or GIVE them to someone else because YOU will be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for your actions! According to the Word, in Deut 7:25. They are false idols to some people. At that seminar he also pointed out that some of the bands actually have satanic curses put on the "master" tape in the studio. I'm off my soapbox now, but just for the record (no pun intended) I had the anointing all over me as I was typing this, so I know God must be dealing with some individuals, and that they need to see it. Be blessed, Roger ><> ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:03:16 PST From: "Roger Wyatt" Subject: iona Iona/top 5 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Greetings! My name is Roger Wyatt and this is my first post to the IONA discussion group. This idea of a 'top 5' artists is quite intriguing....however, being something of a 'connoisseur' of good music-*good* being defined, usually, by Duke Ellington's proviso "if it sounds good it is good", I shall instead summarize my musical in- clinations thusly- CHRISTIAN: 1.Iona(natch)-I love the melange of progressive rock/Celtic/folk, and their prodigious musicality, and the fact that both musically and personally, they give glory to God. 2.Lamb-I actually enjoy most all Messianic music, but they were one of the first such bands & still one of the best. 3.Don Francisco-perhaps the best 'storyteller' in Christian music. 4.Brother to Brother-(actually Michael Card & John Michael Talbot, two of my faves, doing each other's songs)-Marvelous! 5.Acappella-check out some nifty audio samples on their web page(www. acappella.org);how dey do dat wit' no band? 6.Eden's Bridge-Ionaphiles take note! Guest artists include Terl Bryant and Troy Donockley! 7.The Fairfield Four-a black acappella gospel group from Fairfield, Tennessee; very simple, unadorned, and some of the most honest Christian music out there. And that bass singer must have his vocal chords tied to his toes-wow! 8.Rich Mullins-so long, brother...see you on the other side. 9.Rebecca St.James-an acquired taste, thanks to my wife. 10.Johann Sebastian Bach-a magnificent composer,and a believer too! 11.Olivier Messiaen-The greatest composer of the 20th century(imho); even when I was still a pagan, I used to marvel at his gift for translating the Scriptures into sound. And what a sound! 12.Choral/vocal music with a spiritual context(i.e., Handel's Messiah, Monteverdi's Vespers, etc.) EVERYTHING ELSE: 1.Vangelis-'le symphoniste electronique';Iona's synth work strongly reflects his influence. 2.Herb Alpert-Quit snickering! I grew hearing this guy! 3.Classical organ-especially Bach and the 19th- and 20th-century French masters. 4.Akira Ifukube-Japanese composer, best known for his work in sci-fi films(i.e.,'Godzilla',etc); he has a wonderful "basso-ostinato" style! 5.Jean-Michel Jarre-instrumental 'techno-pop' 6.Early music 7.Big Band 8.Symphonic music And numerous other tendencies too profuse to mention........ *SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT* Sunday Nov 18 has been designated as a National Day Of Prayer for the persecuted Christians of the world. Friends, this is too important not to take part in-we ALL need to be on our knees about this one. For more info, see www.persecutedchurch.org and tell as many people as you can about it. Shalom! Roger Wyatt email:rawyatt23@hotmail.com http://www.hotmail.com "O give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; For his lovingkindness is everlasting." -Psalm 118:1(NASB) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:24:40 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: Patrick Taylor Subject: iona Iona In Christianity Today . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ Hi everyone, I hope you get this message, as my ISP has been down for almost 1 week. (I'm going throught Internet withdrawals!) Anyhow, Iona received a full page writeup in this month's issue of Christianity Today (CT). I'd encourage you to pick up a copy of this excellent magazine, read the article, and then write a letter of support to the CT editor. The editorial address is: ctedit@aol.com I'm sure there are plenty of baby boomers who read CT who used to (or still) listen to Jethro Tull, Yes, Renaissance, Clannad, and Enya who could use a "Run, don't walk, to your local music store and BUY IONA TODAY!" editorial. Myself, I'm already writing an editorial on another topic, so I'm going to have to depend on you guys for support. buhbye! patrick taylor ptaylor@ichhi.mdn.com - -hoping I haven't been unsubscribed due to ISP problems ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:07:56 -0500 (EST) From: djwilliams@mindspring.com (Jason Williams) Subject: iona Micheal Hedges . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ HEY ALL Micheal Hedges is one of most original acoustic guitar players ever. He was been around since the early 80's. He detunes, slaps, and everything else you can imagine to a acoustic. Phil Keaggy contributes ALL of his acoutic tapping and slapping from Hedges. If you EVER get a chance to see him you wont believe it. When you hear him you would think he would have to concentrate on playing guitar, but hes stading up, jumping around..the guy is unbelieveable. Check out Ariel Boundries or Live On A Double Planet.... Jason Williams ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #27 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html