iona-digest Friday, October 10 1997 Volume 97 : Number 014 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 04:48:37 -0400 (EDT) From: TomBowcock@aol.com Subject: iona Re:Ron's Posts Hi Ron, Thanks for being prepared to divulge the "inside" story. It is not an area that I have been particularly drawn to in the recent discussions, prefering to let the past be the past (after all in reality it is no business of mine !), or letting you put the record straight as and when you felt that the time was right (this you have now done). I thank you for informing the group, and hope that the matter can now be firmly laid to rest. The past is the past, and we must now continue looking to the future (whatever that may bring each and every one of us). Your notes make for some very interesting (if disturbing reading). But having been on the fringes of the music scene since the late seventies the attitude that you have described is not uncommon. Most bands seem to want total artistic and editorial control over their material, and I suspect Iona are no different. In some ways I can understand that. However, that does not excuse the apparent inability to co-operate or to thank others that have undoubtedly helped them in their "journey". I suspect that the distance between you and the band (geographically) did contribute to poor communications, and that you were let down by others rather than just the band. As always it sometimes takes an enormous amount of strength and courage to say "sorry" and "Thanks" to others particularly when we are at fault. Perhaps at this time Dave just does'nt have that strength or courage(?). I am sure that in the end, with the passing of time, they will come to realise and appreciate the efforts - in time and money that you put in (Even to the point of being detrimental to your health). No one can ask you to give more than everything you have, and this you have done. Your love for the band and their music can not now, or ever be in doubt !!!. The band must remember that discussion groups like this are for just that - discussion. On some occassions that will bring praise and on others the opposite. The band must learn to accept this, for all of the comments levelled by the members of this group are made not as a means to destroy the band, but as means of feeding back "constructive" comments and to see the band mature and prosper. The band should learn to embrace the comments of their "fellowship" and use this forum in a positive and contructive light to feedback and obtain the thoughts of their congregation. I do not place this band on a pedestal, they are like all humans with their frailties and faults. But they are given of some superb talent in making music and thus in making people happy or come to terms with their situations. Music can be a great healer. Ron, I could have sent this message privately to you, but have instead posted it openly to show my own "personal" thanks and appreciation to you for all of the work you have done in the past and are still continuing to do. I am sure that it will open me to some unwarranted criticisms, but felt I at least had to go on record. Even though the band may not (as yet) have found it "inside their hearts" to say these words, I now convey them to you. "Sorry" for the hurt you have suffered for me, and "Thank you" for all you have done for me. (I do not feel qualifide to say "us") Without your work, I would have never have come to the "fellowship" which is this on-line community, nor would I have pursued any interest in the band. I would finish by urging you to be forgiving, to put the past behind you and to strive for a new future. Help, Jason with the new fledgling web pages and continue to contribute to this group as you have always done in the past. The mantle of responsibility has been lifted from you, now revel in that freedom. May The Blessed Three,protect you and keep you..... always. Bye James PS... This subject is now closed, and I will not communicate on the past again. Let us look forward to the future and build anew. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 12:27:18 EST From: Paul_Caruana@intersolv.com Subject: Re: iona Off Iona: McCartney Standing Stone Hi all the following appeared in the ProgRock digest Paul ---- From: "Brown, Ken" Subject: Review - Iona 'Heaven's Bright Sun' Live Date: 09/29/97; 10:57:00 AM This is Iona's fifth cd, and their first live one. It is a good time for such a collection. The band is coming to the attention of many people now.This collection of songs covers all of their previous cds. There are 18 tracks that span over 110 minutes of music over two cds, with two new songs thrown in. I usually don't buy live cds, but Iona is one of my favorite bands so I needed to get it. The musicians: Dave Bainbridge guitars and keyboards, Joann Hogg vocals and guitar, Teri Brynat drums and percussion, Phill Barker fretted and fretless basses, Mike Haughtone saxes and flute and Troy Donockley uilleann pipes and guitars. The band centers around Dave and Joann. This collection shows what a great band Iona are. Why? Because the sound so different then their records. They prove that they can improve on what they do in the studio. If you have heard any of their wonderful cds, you know that the Iona sound is beautiful blend of Celtic, rock and new-age. Well this sets rocks, Dave just burns it up on stage. But the Celtic roots are still their with Troy's pipes. Add to this the angelic voice of Joann and you have a great live set. Like their other LPs this set included both songs and instrumentals. And make no doubts this is a live cd, the warts are still there. The band left the mistakes in, though there are few and far between. For anyone who wanted to hear what Iona are about this is a great place to start. I do want to comment on the 'religious' aspect of their lyrics, so may find them annoying. I do not, I think they speak more about love and faith then anything truly religious. It can be a welcome change from the usual prog type lyrics. Because of the religious content of their cds thet is the section you can find them in the cd store. In America they are on Forefront and you can order them from either CD Treasures (208 331 0671) or Big Music (419 829 7106). In Europe you can contact the band through Iona PO Box 28 Otley West Yorkshire England LS21 IXB ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:39:09 -0300 From: Bill Fogtman Subject: iona Re: Ron's Posts >Ron Lindeboom said: >No, I am not bitter at Iona. But do I think that they are in need of some >growing up? Undoubtedly and would I say so, yes, as I have tried repeatedly >to reconcile this and all to no avail. But as to disliking them, I just >finished a four page article on the band that will appear in the next issue >of ''Progression'' magazine. Does that sound like I am "bitter" about my >work with Iona? I even paid for the first Progression full-page ad out of >my own pocket -- and that, after pulling the Iona web stuff down. Does >*that* sound like I am bitter towards them? I stand corrected, Ron. This was my interpretation at the time, and if I brought up the subject at all it was because I felt a great injustice had been done to you, and the "normal" reaction in this case WOULD be at least "bitterness". As I mentioned, this was implied (my interpretation again) rather than an outright statement on your part. Thank you for answering my post here on the listserv. I realize that what happened between you and Iona is of a deep, personal nature, and thank you for sharing this with us. I apologize if I forced the issue a bit, and am sorry if this has "opened up old wounds". This was not my intention. I think, though, that your serene explanation of what happened shows clearly that you have coped with the situation successfully, and, if anything, matured with it. >As we said goodbye, I wished him and Debbie well with their upcoming child >(due in four weeks). I told him that I wished him and the band the best and >that I doubted I would have any reason to speak to him in the future. He >was uncomfortable and said that we will speak again someday. Perhaps this is Dave's way of leaving the door open for the future. >Sorry to crush your idol. But the truth is, the vision is God's; always was >and always will be. We hold the treasure in earthen vessels, so the the >glory will be clearly seen to belong to the Father of Lights. Yes, this insight came to me too after I wrote my first post on the subject. Idol? No, I do not idolize Iona, or have any other idols I am aware of. The music is what has always interested me, be it Iona, Yes, or Stravinsky. But I realize that the music is brought to us by highly, uniquely gifted individuals, and that at times it becomes difficult to dismember the work of art from the artist. That was basically what my problem with this was. >Well, I wouldn't have posted this except that there was no reconciliation >made after repeated attempts and a final one today. (I was hoping to be >able to post something far more positive than that and that was the reason >for my call today.) Based on these repeated attempts, I feel that I am on >safe biblical grounds in airing out only a few of the real reasons behind >things as they went. Once again, thanks for sharing. Please rest assured that your efforts have not been in vain. Bill Fogtman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:46:56 +0100 From: "Richard Stringer" Subject: iona A few observations Hi all I hope that this is correctly posted etc....... I have said before that I do not think that a review of the facts/fictions/emotions of Rons' involvment are the proper subject for this list. I would say that this includes those who feel the need to comment and Ron himself. It appears that the things he has posted are a response to things others have posted which he feels are incorrect. I know that not all who subscribe are christians but those who are have a duty to act in a Christlike manner and not full fill the worlds stereotypes of the church. I am not going to quote scripture as I feel that common sense should be enough but lets let it lie. Richard Stringer London. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:35:32 +0100 From: John Segrave-Daly Subject: iona Last note on Air conditioning? Could this be the last note on air conditioning? (please...:-) >> In the UK the neeed for air conditioning in October is so rare that unless >> you are in an office block then you don't get it. >I don't understand "you don't get it". It is just the flick of a switch or >the twist of a dial? Nothing complicated. The problem is that the physical equipment that privides functionality to that little "switch or dial" does not exist in most non-office buildings in the UK & Ireland. We have no use for air conditioning most of the time, so we don't build it into buildings. For the most part what we want is _heat_ not cold!!!! Cheers! John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 00:36:18 -0500 From: Aaron Thomas Pierce Subject: iona Got Milk? Hello, All! Sorry if I have mistakenly included you in the update list. VWBUG has been once again updated. Some of the highlights include... A remake of the main page to a Tintin theme. The Forum has returned in full color and is now auto-posting. My ever-growing CD collection has once again grown. Rich Mullins has been added to The Shrine. And a bunch of other stuff that I am not gonna take time to write because it is 12:34 Thursday morning and I wanna go to bed. So check it out and tell me what you think! http://www.netins.net/showcase/vwbug/ Thanks! - -Aaron apierce@netins.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 03:37:44 -0500 From: Aaron Thomas Pierce Subject: Re: iona Got Milk? - OPPS! Opps! Sorry about sending the anouncment for my homepage to the whole list. - -aaron Aaron Thomas Pierce wrote: > Hello, All! > Sorry if I have mistakenly included you in the update list. VWBUG > has been once again updated. Some of the highlights include... > > A remake of the main page to a Tintin theme. > The Forum has returned in full color and is now auto-posting. > My ever-growing CD collection has once again grown. > Rich Mullins has been added to The Shrine. > And a bunch of other stuff that I am not gonna take time to write > because it is 12:34 Thursday morning and I wanna go to bed. So check it > out and tell me what you think! > > http://www.netins.net/showcase/vwbug/ > > Thanks! > -Aaron > apierce@netins.net > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:39:34 +0000 From: Martin Dean Subject: iona Temple Gig, North Acton Hi all, well it seems this marked a few firsts for Iona so Joanne claimed, 1) it was the first 'multimedia warehouse party' gig they had done and 2) it was the first time Joanne had the chance to see what the rest of the band were doing, thanks to projected video shots of the band. This was one of the bands shorter show (1hour 15minuteish) so we saw a slightly changed set from that posted for Bristol. No 'Encircling' and 'Murlough Bay'. We also got the new instrumental (another Mike keyboard wash with Troy's pipes over the top). I also noticed a slight rearrangement of 'Flight Of The Wild Goose' where Mike got a slightly changed guitar solo (at least I think this is different to last time). They also cut the beginning of When I Survey, missing out Troy's guitar solo. Highlights for me were No Heart Beats, Heaven's Bright Sun and Reels. Like Bristol they seemed to hit a slight lull in the centre of the set with 'Lindisfarne' and 'Everything Changes'. Although I don't mind these songs, I don't think they carry the live power that some of the other tracks have. I also think that Chi-Rho had something special with the original arrangement (bucket and all) and has become a little too much like the rest. The audience did warm up during the set and really got into 'Bi-Se I Mo Shuil - Part 2' and Reels. Troy was certainly pushing the speed at the end of 'Reels' and it always amazes me that the band all manage to carry it off however fast they go. Overall it was a good show, but I believe they need to put more dynamism into their shorter sets. Perhaps putting B-Se I Mo Shuil earlier in the set to warm the audience up. And now on to Reading and Maidstone... Martin "The Man In The Coat" Dean Cinema Engineer, Official Genesis Web Site Contributor Martin's bit of the web: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/mdean/ Official Genesis Web Site: http://www.Genesis-Web.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:20:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Johannes Koch Subject: Re: iona Temple Gig, North Acton On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Martin Dean wrote: > 'Murlough Bay'. We also got the new instrumental (another Mike keyboard ^^^^ > of 'Flight Of The Wild Goose' where Mike got a slightly changed guitar solo ^^^^ Mike = Mike Haughton? Does he play keyboards and guitar? greetings - --- Johannes Koch http://www.physik.tu-berlin.de/~koch/ ILR (Institute of Aerospace Engineering) TU Berlin, GERMANY IRC-Nick: Waldbaer on #ixthys * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * In te, Domine, speravi; non confundar in aeternum. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:09:15 -0400 From: Pedro Araujo Subject: Re: iona Temple Gig, North Acton Martin Dean wrote: > Hi all, > > well it seems this marked a few firsts for Iona so Joanne claimed, 1) > it > was the first 'multimedia warehouse party' gig they had done and 2) it > was > the first time Joanne had the chance to see what the rest of the band > were > doing, thanks to projected video shots of the band. > > This was one of the bands shorter show (1hour 15minuteish) so we saw a > > slightly changed set from that posted for Bristol. No 'Encircling' and > > 'Murlough Bay'. We also got the new instrumental (another Mike > keyboard > wash with Troy's pipes over the top). I also noticed a slight > rearrangement > of 'Flight Of The Wild Goose' where Mike got a slightly changed guitar > solo > (at least I think this is different to last time). They also cut the > beginning of When I Survey, missing out Troy's guitar solo. Highlights > for > me were No Heart Beats, Heaven's Bright Sun and Reels. > > Like Bristol they seemed to hit a slight lull in the centre of the set > with > 'Lindisfarne' and 'Everything Changes'. Although I don't mind these > songs, > I don't think they carry the live power that some of the other tracks > have. > I also think that Chi-Rho had something special with the original > arrangement (bucket and all) and has become a little too much like > the > rest. The audience did warm up during the set and really got into > 'Bi-Se I > Mo Shuil - Part 2' and Reels. Troy was certainly pushing the speed at > the > end of 'Reels' and it always amazes me that the band all manage to > carry > it off however fast they go. > > Overall it was a good show, but I believe they need to put more > dynamism > into their shorter sets. Perhaps putting B-Se I Mo Shuil earlier in > the > set to warm the audience up. > > And now on to Reading and Maidstone... I guess that the musician you refer playing guitar and keyboards is Dave Bainbridge, instead of Mike (Haughton ???, sax/flute player). Also, you are probably refering to TODAY instead of CHI-RO, when you mentioned the song that Terl Bryant plays with a bucket. Pedro Collusso ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:09:23 +0000 From: Martin Dean Subject: Re: iona Air Conditioning, Lists and Other Stuff >><< Air Conditioning - Whats That ? >> >> In the UK the need for air conditioning in October is so rare that unless >> you are in an office block then you don't get it. >> >> >> >> >>I don't understand "you don't get it". It is just the flick of a switch or >>the twist of a dial? Nothing complicated. The need for air conditioning at >>this time of year is somewhat uncommon (our tempeture has been high 80s up to >>90 the past few days, that is not exactly normal), but getting the air turned >>on is no big deal. What am I missing > >Er... you're missing the fact that the UK doesn't (as a general rule) get >as hot during the summer as the US, and even when it does get hot, the hot >weather doesn't last as long (usually, only a few weeks in August). So a >lot of buildings don't have air-conditioning installed - it's simply not >worth it. It's just a case of opening the windows and turning on a fan! > As already said most UK venues don't have air conditioning, a fact that has become a big selling point as a lot of places (specifically cinemas) fit air conditioning. But this leads to another problem as far as live bands are concerned. Most singers find that the air conditioning dries the air too much and leads to them getting very sore throats and not being able to sin properly. So they often request that, regardless of how hot it is, the air conditioning is switched off. I don't know if this has been an issue with Joanne, but I know of other singers that have suffered because of air conditioning. Martin "The Man In The Coat" Dean Cinema Engineer, Official Genesis Web Site Contributor Martin's bit of the web: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/mdean/ Official Genesis Web Site: http://www.Genesis-Web.com ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #14 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html