iona-digest Tuesday, October 7 1997 Volume 97 : Number 012 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:32:05 -0400 From: Marc.McCune@fin.rrd.com (Marc McCune) Subject: iona More Iona content from Keaggy-l Hey all, I was lucky enough to see Iona on Friday! The sound quality was fantastic. They did some great songs: The Island, Irish Day, Edge of the World, Chi-Ro, Wisdom, Treasure, that 'Circle' song off their latest CD, and so on (I can never remember their song titles). They also did a great reel which I don't know the name of. I really wanted them to do When I Survey, which is really moving. When they came on for the encore, that's the one they did, so I was really pleased! That song really challenges me. Great mix, great players, great message, and like Phil, no ego problems. I think their guitar player is highly talented, and very fluid. OKC: Has Phil ever heard/played with Iona? Thanx, Dan /*************************************************************/ /* Daniel Vine */ /* Computing Dept. */ /* Bournemouth University */ /* Fern Barrow */ /* Poole */ /* BH12 5BB */ /* UK */ /* */ /* http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/dec_ind/decind11/dan1.htm */ /* */ /* Tel: (+44) 1202 595315 */ /* Fax: (+44) 1202 595314 */ /* Home email: dvine73902@aol.com */ /* */ /*************************************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:00:44 -0400 From: Marc.McCune@fin.rrd.com (Marc McCune) Subject: iona Brazilian Music Setting mode to de-lurk: Here is a reply from a Brazilian participant of the Keaggy-l Phil Keaggy list. We had been lately talking about Brazilian music on the Keaggy list and thought this message from the Iona list was appropriate. Maybe our friends from Brazil on both lists can hook up. - -Marc McCune http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4660 > Marc(>Sorry for the backhanded Loredo. > Marc(> > Marc(>I thought this may be interesting to our man in Brazil. > Marc(> > Marc(>-Marc > > Surely is. > Marc(>Hi Folks, > > Marc(>It never ceases to amaze me how fittingly appropriate > Marc(>Iona's music is in the forest and on the river. This > Marc(>is an experience I > Marc(>highly recommend to all, if you ever make it down to Brazil. > > Intersting observation... > > Marc(>I also have a demo tape with all the above and some others, > Marc(> that I give copies of to friends here in Brazil. No > Marc(> positive feedback as yet. Most Brazilians are deeply into > Marc(> their own popular music, and have take an almost fanatic > Marc(> nationalistic pride in defending it against foreign > Marc(>invasions, of which IONA would just be one more.... If > Marc(> there is anybody else > Marc(>list from Brazil, please speak out! > > OK, let's go: > Probably our friend misunderstood Brazilians' reactions. Though we > are most of the time deep in our own music, the fato is that we > have many things quite more important than music to defend against > foreign invasions. Actually, if there's something here we don't > need to make market protection policy that is: > Musica Popular Brasileira. At most, the jungle boys were trying to > promote something they have as important for their self-esteem, > their culture. > > For those who cares, Brasil's music market is one of the few in the > World, where American music doesn't eat the major share, neither > in sells nor in airplay (!) > > So, our friend possibly was expecting a crowd of IONA fans, just > the same in US, UK or nearby. At least he could consider that we > speak another totally different language and besides, Amazonia is > not exactly the easiest place to reach. > > Since i'm sure Brazilian culture is NOT xenophobic, the reactions > from jungle inland people here are the same most of English > speakers would have if I show them songs of Asaph Borba, Sergio > Pimenta, Joao Alexandre and others, all singing in Portuguese. > Indifference, lack of reference. > > Talking for myself, since i've heard Highland, I'm having special > attention for Celtic, Celtic-like music. I just got a tape called > Celtic Expression of Worship - Be Thou My Vision, that's my top > listening for the last 10 days. Also, i'm looking for The Book Of > Kells, which really is not the easiest stuff to find here. > > OKC: This post only shows that PK popularity here is not casual. > > For Marc: It would fine if you put me in contact to Billy. > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Hamilton {:^D > hbreft@solve.com.br > Sao Paulo-SP Brasil > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -- marc.mccune@fin.rrd.com "ask me how I know...mercy in the middle" http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4660 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:10:59 +0200 From: Bill Iles Subject: Re: iona Synod Of Whitby - slightly off topic And me too! Nicea@aol.com wrote: > > Hey folks, I am interested in this thread. > > Dave Hunter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:33:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Reid.Bowers@lawrence.edu Subject: Re: iona US, UK, culture and vision >Forgive me for indulging in some rambling thoughts prompted by the >Ron-Iona debate (without wishing to reopen it). This posting has >predominantly Christian content, so non-believing listers may wish to >skip it. >One factor that I think is sometimes overlooked is the fact that there >are certain cultural / attitudinal differences between the US and the >UK. We Brits tend to be more reserved and cautious, whilst those across >the pond are frequently more effusive and ambitious. I think this is >reflected in the list, where the American contributors are more voluble, >whilst the Brits only chip in occasionally. (Please note, this is an >observation, not a criticism - I love to read all contributions to >building up this virtual community). >It is also reflected in the fact that American fans seem to have great - >and laudable - ambitions and desires for Iona to be promoted in the US, >but ambitions which do not appear to be shared by the band themselves. >My view - and it is only my view - is that Iona are fully aware of the >tremendous God-given talent they have, and are jealous to use it solely >for Him. That makes them cautious, seeking only to follow His guidance. >I also believe that Iona are a part of what God is doing, and about to >do, in the UK. The death of the Princess of Wales has demonstrated the >tremendous spiritual hunger in this country, and there have been >prophecies to the effect that God is about to satisfy that hunger in a >very powerful way. Iona have the ability to speak God's grace into >people who have intellectualised, people who have thought profoundly >about the meaning of life, and people who have sought meaning in the New >Age movement. >The bottom line is that I believe Iona have been called to minister to >the UK, and that it was they will do, resisting all temptations and >offers, however well-motivated, to distract them from that. >Unfortunately for American brethren, that may be very frustrating in >terms of limited opportunities to see the band, at least for the time >being. What should be most important of all for the Christians on this >list and for Iona, is that Christ is glorified. At the end of the day, >nothing else matters. >Yours humbly, >Andrew Nainby Well Spoken. My whole-hearted concurence. Reid Christian Bowers Appleton, WI ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:42:57 -0500 From: Aaron Thomas Pierce Subject: Re: iona Christian Music On-Line Vaughan Granier wrote: > I have a few pages bookmarked out there : > > http://www.avn.net/vwbug/music/ The above is the site I run and (sadly) we had to change servers because avn.net closed. The new address is...http://www.netins.net/showcase/vwbug BTW- The owner of avn.net gave me the domain name because he no longer wanted it. If anyone has cheap server space I would like to put it up again because most links and search engines still point to it. And besides that, the address is a heck of a lot shorter. And then we could have www.avn.net/iona woo-woo! - -Aaron apierce@netins.net > http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~96tjm/delirious.html > http://www.wwug.com/iona/ > http://www.zip.com.au/~jubilee/ > http://www.gospel.it/iona/ > http://michaelcard.com/ > http://www.ccmcom.com/ > http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~williamb/mullins.html > http://www.fish.com/music/bruce_cockburn.html > > Have fun. > > VAUGHAN > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:46:16 +0100 From: "Richard Stringer" Subject: iona Re: sorry! I appear to have transgressed the rules for which I am sorry; part of this is due to ignorance as I'm not sure what rich text is. I have two options for e-mail , one via my internet provider dircon and the other via Outlook. The problems appear to arise when using Outlook as I do not change fonts etc. I also have been told that I've changed my e-mail address - again as far as I'm aware I've changed nothing. You also state that I'm sending attachments but again I'm not adding anything to the e-mail. So I'm sorry If I've messed up but it appears I've still got a lot to learn. Richard S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:24:48 -0700 From: Cherry Subject: iona finding Iona's music Hey everyone. I've been 'lurking' here since June. My name is Cherry and I'm from N.C. I first found out about Iona in June (thanks Nic) and have been an avid listener since. My family and I were lucky enough to see and meet Iona in Va. Beach in July. Seeing them live was wonderful! It was definetly one of the best concerts I've ever attended!! One thing that has bothered me has been getting the general population to hear Iona. This group should be heard by everyone - not just a few of us. I was very pleased when I saw HBS in Best Buy this last week. This means to me that there is hope. BTW my 5 favorite songs (at the moment) are: Flight of the Wild Goose Irish Day Inside My Heart Kells pt.2 Reels These faves change constantly - depends on what I'm listening to at the moment. Cherry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicea@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Air Conditioning, Lists and Other Stuff Thanks for the info. I knew I was missing something. Dave H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:10:02 +0200 From: Andreas Ottosson Subject: iona Concert info? Hello! I'm a newbie to this list, but I'm not a newbie to Iona. I've been listening to them ever since I first heard 'the Book of Kells' back in 1992. Now that I'm going to England (London) during 26 Oct to 30 Oct, it would be a bummer not to attend a concert. I saw that they were doing a couple of concerts in the London area, but I will miss them by a week or two. Does anyone know if they're playing in the London area or somewhere else nearby during my visit? Please, help me out on this one! Thanks!!!! /Andreas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Ottosson Writing my Master Thesis on the subject of Computer Security E-mail: xao@bull.se Tel: +46 (0)13273179 (home) +46 (0)13235832 (work) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:28:11 +0100 From: "Nainby, Andrew" Subject: iona Dave Fitzgerald If this is too off-list, I apologise, but as it relates to Iona founder Dave Fitzgerald I felt it worth sharing... Whilst having lunch in a local church yesterday I noticed an advert for a Dave Fitzgerald concert (which I'd missed, rats!). The poster said that Dave was now living in the Norwich area and worshipping at Drayton Hall, a nearby church/conference centre/outreach centre, founded and led by Bob Gordon who has had a powerful spirit-filled ministry in East Anglia. Bob died last Monday after a short illness, and his loss has had a devastating effect on the Drayton Hall community, so Dave and his fellowship are in particular need of prayer at this time. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:22:36 +0100 From: "Nainby, Andrew" Subject: RE: iona Concert info? Sorry, Andreas, I think you're going to just miss out. AFAIK there are no gigs planned between 11 October (Solihull) and the german tour which starts on 4 December. My understanding is that in the intervening period they will be writing and possibly recording material for the next album. Andrew Nainby ----------------- ... Now that I'm going to England (London) during 26 Oct to 30 Oct, it would be a bummer not to attend a concert. I saw that they were doing a couple of concerts in the London area, but I will miss them by a week or two. Does anyone know if they're playing in the London area or somewhere else nearby during my visit? Please, help me out on this one! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:25:13 -0700 From: Ron Lindeboom Subject: iona Huge Iona Feature in next ''Progression'' Hi All, Just wanted to let you know that ''Progression'' magazine (an awesome 84 page quarterly in the USA) is featuring a 4 page article in the next issue that looks at the entire career of Iona to date. It covers all of the albums, interview quotes and includes some very interesting side notes for proggers (like: Richard Sinclair (Caravan, Camel, Hatfield & the North, etc.) almost became the bassist instead of Nick Beggs). So, if you are into Iona and love other prog bands as well, don't miss the next issue of Progression. Best regards, Ron Lindeboom Media Worldwide Teaching Digital Video & Animation http://www.wwug.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:47:30 -0700 From: Ron Lindeboom Subject: Re: iona Iona above all >Bill Fogtman added observantly: >If the issue kept popping up in my head it was because I believe that >Iona's music is of a divine nature, reaching at many times a heavenly >perfection, and to have that perfection marred by possible human faults >was what really bothered me. But of course, we, as well as Ron and the >members of Iona, ARE only human, and I am reminded that it is just that >unique state of being - human, imperfect, with faults and all - that >make us what we are, and makes the music of Iona possible. This is >God's design, and we should all be grateful for it. Thanks Bill for the kind observation. My sincere thanks also to Vaughn down in South Africa for your post. (I was honestly blessed by the depth, as usual, of your insight, Vaughn.) Forgetting that the glory is God's, only creates an idol, a new band that we might affectionately refer to "Baal Iona." Be careful those of you who place Iona on an altar or a pedestal: God may just have to knock it over just to remind you where all that beauty *really* came from! Ron Lindeboom Media Worldwide Teaching Digital Video & Animation http://www.wwug.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:35:21 -0700 From: Ron Lindeboom Subject: iona Re: Mark Eblen's thoughts on Ron >Mark Eblen admitted correctly: >I am limited in knowledge of the facts but have made certain >deductions and assumptions and have my own opinion right >or wrong. You are right, you are *very* limited in your understanding and so you have made some very errant deductions. Yet, as the saying goes, the only exercise some people get is jumping to conclusions, so you are entitled to your workout here... >Mark then stated: >I too was troubled by Ron's post and the whole situation. >The more I reviewed and thought about it I came to the following >conclusion. Iona did not ask for Ron to do what he did. I hate to tell you this, but Iona's business manager and their record company both backed our efforts and gave us the status of "official" blessing from them both. And in the early days, Dave Bainbridge wrote us and reviewed the site, even sending materials, feedback, etc., etc., to be included. Still, I cannot ever recall ever getting a word of thanks. Simply a matter of bad manners at best. >They owe him no thanks or special recognition since they did not solicit, >encourage or support Ron's efforts. See the above statement. >Mark goes on boldly with foot in mouth: >I do not think that Ron's motives were pure in his efforts. He did not >want to "just share Iona" with other people. Eu contrare, mon ami! To the contrary, my friend! You are incredible. You must have more absolute gall than just about anyone I have ever met. >I believe he saw it as a way in to the business and a way to make contacts. >It did not work out that way. Iona was not drawn into a relationship that >they >did not seek. I have little need for "contacts" in the Christian music field which are dead broke, have little prospect of changing that, and are playing a type of music that even in the secular market is so obscure that only purists of the form appreciate it. But I am glad to know that should God ever die, there is one such as you who will be able to fill in in omniscience when needed... >As an artist I would not want individuals setting up "official sites" >without my input and control. His anger and refusal to allow the >new web sites to use material that he had accumulated revealed >his heart on the matter. Once again, you are awesome in your all-knowingness! ;) Kathy Bunker (Iona's USA mgr.) will tell you that this is simply not true. I have been in communication with John Kreuz at Big Music to get my site to him so that he can use it. I simply did not want people using my original work -- something that you seem to understand for yourself, previous point, as an artist -- yet you seem to want to deny me, saying things like... >Ron has much bitterness. He did some excellent work but either >from the beginning or at some point in the process his motives >became self-serving. It is a shame because he did by implication >cast a shadow on the band. No, I have repeatedly tried to do what the Bible says to do in this issue. It really sounds like my bitterness has gotten out of control when I can write a "puff piece" about the band that is so filled with all that I can do to show the band as a first rate prog ensemble that it's going to be a prime feature in the next Progression magazine. Romans says: "Judge not the servant of another for before his own master he will stand or fall; and stand he will, for the Lord is able to make him stand." You are awesome in that you have NEVER written me or called me or done ONE SINGLE THING to see if your *imaginations* are correct... Me, I have a long history with Iona that goes back almost two years of phone calls to management, record companies, members and a long friendship with Cindy as well. You, on the other hand, have jumped into deep water without even bothering to see that those are rocks that are waiting for you down there. >I no longer am troubled by this. I enjoy Iona and I believe that >the problem all lay in Ron and not with an "ungrateful" band. Ron >should be in our prayers because I feel his last posts revealed a >great deal of anger and self pity. Both of those things can consume >a person if left unchecked. Correct or not, that is how I see it. >If I have offended anyone then you have my apology. Wow, I am happy to hear that you have the ability to hear into the spirit and know how all of this was my fault and that Iona are without spot or wrinkle. (Something that you will never get present or former members to agree with you on...) I have called Kathy Bunker on numerous occasions seeking her help in reconciling these things with Dave Bainbridge. But she'd tell you that the anger Dave feels towards me regarding the ''Irish Day'' video is more than he can handle, it seems. > >I hope that this gives you some food for thought and maybe >a little peace about the matter. > >Mark Eblen >Denton, TX Mark, I wish you well and would ask that in the future you might wish to think a little and maybe even consult the good book a little before you jump to your conclusions. There is far, far more to this story (and it does not have to do with me) than I have even begun to say; some here know what I am referring to. When it comes public -- and it will not be through me, I assure you -- then you are going to wish this was one letter that you had never written. Firmly but with forgiveness I write, Ron Lindeboom Media Worldwide Teaching Digital Video & Animation http://www.wwug.com ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #12 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html