iona-digest Monday, October 6 1997 Volume 97 : Number 011 . _ _ _ |(_)| )(_| mailto:musictus@musictus.com Discussion List (digest) http://www.gospel.it/iona/ _______________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:02:28 +0100 From: "Richard Stringer" Subject: iona Re: Subscription Your email suggest I am not a member(?) I thoought I was. Richard S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 23:11:16 +0000 (GMT) From: James Stewart Subject: iona Synod Of Whitby - slightly off topic I am going to be doing a project on 'Reactions To The Synod Of Whitby' and was wondering if anybody knew of any good material (on or off the net) which I would be able to use. Thanks. James. -- A James Stewart james.stewart@charis.co.uk The Britlinks: http://www.jesusfreak.com/britlinks/ Steve Taylor for President: http://www.jesusfreak.com/britlinks/staylor/ -- 'You know sometimes you see religious people on a stage and they say "this is a song God gave me" and it's not until you hear it that you know why he wanted to get rid of it.' Martyn Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 09:50:00 -0700 From: Bill Fogtman Subject: iona Iona above all Dear Listserv members, First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry to everyone here for having stirred up things with my thoughts about Ron and Iona. It was not my intention to create tension here amongst one or another, but rather to see if there were others on this list that felt the way I did about the issue. I felt this was a legitimate query, and honestly wanted to know what others thought about it. To those that shared their thoughts with me/us, many thanks for your insights and sincerity. If this created friction between some of us, please let us reconsider, and rightfully respect each others thoughts. I think though, that in the end, what Vaughan says in his post is possibly closest to the truth, and that he IS right about letting curiosity alone in this case. And it would seem that the silence of most of the list regulars I was interested in hearing from gives him credit. If the issue kept popping up in my head it was because I believe that Iona's music is of a divine nature, reaching at many times a heavenly perfection, and to have that perfection marred by possible human faults was what really bothered me. But of course, we,as well as Ron and the members of Iona, ARE only human, and I am reminded that it is just that unique state of being - human, imperfect, with faults and all - that make us what we are, and makes the music of Iona possible. This is God's design, and we should all be grateful for it. And so, I will keep my curiosity under control and to myself, and now humbly suggest that we move on to cheerier subjects, such as getting returns from the current 5 songs poll, and news on the group getting together for a new studio album, etc. Bill in Brazil PS: Tom, I will answer you directly as soon as possible. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:36:21 -0400 From: B1BLancer Subject: iona Iona's concert in Bristol, UK I'm a relative newbie to Iona. Thus far, I only have 2 of their CD's, name Journey Into The Morn and HBS. I have never seen them in concert...YET! After listening to the CD's I have, its very hard for me to believe that Iona could deliver anything less than a stellar performance unless their were mitigating circumstances. If the heat in the building was as bad as it was reported, that could have alot to do with the fact that Iona had a less than perfect stage presence. Heat exhaustion can make you feel light-headed, nauseous, and very week. Any one of these would be enough to take the starch out of anyone, let alone experiencing more than one of these symptoms at once. Joanne's black outfit would have only made it worse under the hot lights. If members of Iona were having problems with the heat, they were likely making an effort to focus what energy they had on their music, and probably just didn't feel physically up to much audience interaction. As the evening progressed, the temperature probably dropped by a few degrees, so that might explain why there were more energetic in the second set. Of course, being in the US, I wasn't there, so this is all speculation on my part, but it would explain things. By the way, if the heat was that bad, why didn't someone switch on the bloomin' air conditioning?! :-D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Zoa1@aol.com Subject: Re: iona re: Iona - HBS favorite (and more) In a message dated 97-09-29 23:10:15 EDT, you write: << Boy that's hard. I'll change my mind tomorrow, but for 'today': >> Me too Jason and BTW HI...........How ya been? Miss ya! Here goes! (and as the song goes- "Everything Changes" ) 1.Today (something about this song in Live) 2.Reels (someone mentioned something about this song in a recient post as being three musicians playing harmony riffs and not messing up. It blew me away in Hurffville I think that is where I turned to Brian and Yelled "WOW") HBS ( Joanne was very moved while singing this song and filled with Passion it moved others also) 3.Chi Rho - I have been listening to Kells alot lately (very cool) 4. Irish Day - I don't know why I was so affected by this song Live 5.Flight of the Wild Goose ( it has a different feel live ) Like Jason these will change tomorrow when I listen to HBS again Mat Kerlin Zoa 1@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:45:33 -0400 (EDT) From: TomBowcock@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Synod Of Whitby - slightly off topic Hi James, What angle are you comming from here ? Do you want historical impact or how the Synod lead to Celtic Christianity going "underground". Are you coming from this in the light of Celtic Christanity as history or how it is today ? If I had more idea of your angle I might (?) be able to help a bit more. Feel free to mail me directly if you think the rest of teh Listserv would find this topic to remote from Iona the band or a waste of bandwidth. Cheers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:43:36 -0400 (EDT) From: TomBowcock@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Iona's concert in Bristol, UK >>By the way, if the heat was that bad, why didn't someone switch on the >>bloomin' air conditioning?! :-D Air Conditioning - Whats That ? In the UK the neeed for air conditioning in October is so rare that unless you are in an office block then you don't get it. The Fleece and Firkin is an old concerted Wool Warehouse, complete with pillars throughout the main audienece area. There were three very small ceiling fans in operation but their impact was negligible. Yes it was very hot, and it must ahve been even hotter under the lights on stage. As I said in my post, My companion (who is a nurse) said that she thought that Joanne was looking distressed (although this could have been as a result of the crowd noise and lack of enthusiasm in the early part of the show !) by the heat at one point. Luckily they did have water on stage, and she would retreat to the back of the stage (obviously where it weas cooler) during the instumental bits. As for the second half I don't think it was any cooler, but the audience certainly responded with much more enthusiasm. As Frank has said there were certainly more "classics" in the second half of the set. I agree with Frank that as far as stage presence goes, they were not the most animated or gifted in stage craft. But then I remember the band "Renaissance" being very much the same. They let their music do the talking for them, so it was with Iona. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 21:47:43 -0700 From: paul rouse Subject: iona discussion group Hi everyone I have been away from this listserve for some time. Just as Ron Lindeboom was closing the list down, my isp and mail software started playing up. I was very sad at the thought of losing contact with IONA fans. I have just got connected again with a new provider and am so happy to find this list again. Life was so dull without it. Who is looking after the list, I have missed out on what happened after the close down by Ron. Can anyone fill me in on the gaps please. On another note, the group are doing some dates in England at the moment. Has anyone been to any gigs? I intend to go to Solihull this Staurday (11 October). Anyone any info about the gigs?? Personal responses to my email are welcome. Paul Rouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:20:19 +1000 From: Daniel Payne Subject: iona I'm Jealous I know it's a bitter, self-serving emotion I should try to avoid. And generally speaking I have nothing but gratitude that I am an Australian - - it's one of the best places in the world to live, even though I'm not able to compare it to other places from personal experience. But it is rather a long way away from anywhere that matters - and, to my knowledge, Iona has never played live here, and has no plans to do so in the immediate future. So I keep reading the posts to the listserv about Iona concerts in the USA, UK and Europe and that little green devil rears its ugly head. Just to let you all wince at our isolation down here, we don't have HBS - - it hasn't been in stores as yet, and nowhere I've checked has any plans to get it in. (We are limited in our choice of Christian bookstores down here, WORD and Keswick being the two biggest.) I've ordered it to be got in specifically for me - and I'm still waiting. And in the meantime, there are NO Iona live videos available either! So, does anyone know of any such videos? Do they exist? If so, can someone give me some info (title, time, format - preferably PAL, but I can cope with NTSC - and, especially, order numbers/publishers/anything which will let me order them in?) Short of moving OS, I think this is about the only way I'm going to get to see the band do its stuff on stage, which is of course the making or breaking of any band. (How many bands sound excellent on CD, but can't cut it live? Too many. Isn't electronics wonderful?) This listserv, may I say it, is my only link to the Christian music scene. I still haven't heard the news about Rich Mullins from any other source over here - in fact, most people seem stunned when I tell them. So - if I may digress for two line - does anyone know of listservs similar to this one for other Christian bands? Particularly Petra. Just to make this posting worthwhile, here's my top five Iona songs (at the moment, off the top of my head). I think it's Iona's unique ability to swing into gigantic, inspired, incomparible and undescribable instrumental riffs that swung me to them in the first place. The list would probably be completely different if I had HBS, or even if I wrote it tomorrow. Trilogy Matthew - the Man Chi-Rho Today Heaven's Bright Sun But there's just so many more that should be there! Beyond These Shores - - the most hauntingly beautiful music I've ever listened to - When I Survey, and Revelation (the song which originally hooked me) - I can't type any more, I've got to go home and put on some CDs. (I'm a student and I only have email at Uni.) Daniel Payne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicea@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Synod Of Whitby - slightly off topic Hey folks, I am interested in this thread. Dave Hunter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:42:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicea@aol.com Subject: Re: iona Iona's concert in Bristol, UK In a message dated 97-10-05 15:00:34 EDT, you write: << Air Conditioning - Whats That ? In the UK the neeed for air conditioning in October is so rare that unless you are in an office block then you don't get it. >> I don't understand "you don't get it". It is just the flick of a switch or the twist of a dial? Nothing complicated. The need for air conditioning at this time of year is somewhat uncommon (our tempeture has been high 80s up to 90 the past few days, that is not exactly normal), but getting the air turned on is no big deal. What am I missing Dave Hunter Springfield, IL USA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:45:23 +0100 From: "Nainby, Andrew" Subject: iona US, UK, culture and vision Forgive me for indulging in some rambling thoughts prompted by the Ron-Iona debate (without wishing to reopen it). This posting has predominantly Christian content, so non-believing listers may wish to skip it. One factor that I think is sometimes overlooked is the fact that there are certain cultural / attitudinal differences between the US and the UK. We Brits tend to be more reserved and cautious, whilst those across the pond are frequently more effusive and ambitious. I think this is reflected in the list, where the American contributors are more voluble, whilst the Brits only chip in occasionally. (Please note, this is an observation, not a criticism - I love to read all contributions to building up this virtual community). It is also reflected in the fact that American fans seem to have great - and laudable - ambitions and desires for Iona to be promoted in the US, but ambitions which do not appear to be shared by the band themselves. My view - and it is only my view - is that Iona are fully aware of the tremendous God-given talent they have, and are jealous to use it solely for Him. That makes them cautious, seeking only to follow His guidance. I also believe that Iona are a part of what God is doing, and about to do, in the UK. The death of the Princess of Wales has demonstrated the tremendous spiritual hunger in this country, and there have been prophecies to the effect that God is about to satisfy that hunger in a very powerful way. Iona have the ability to speak God's grace into people who have intellectualised, people who have thought profoundly about the meaning of life, and people who have sought meaning in the New Age movement. The bottom line is that I believe Iona have been called to minister to the UK, and that it was they will do, resisting all temptations and offers, however well-motivated, to distract them from that. Unfortunately for American brethren, that may be very frustrating in terms of limited opportunities to see the band, at least for the time being. What should be most important of all for the Christians on this list and for Iona, is that Christ is glorified. At the end of the day, nothing else matters. Yours humbly, Andrew Nainby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:54:57 +0100 From: Mark Goodge Subject: iona Air Conditioning, Lists and Other Stuff At 23:42 05/10/97 -0400, Dave wrote: > ><< Air Conditioning - Whats That ? > > In the UK the neeed for air conditioning in October is so rare that unless > you are in an office block then you don't get it. > >> > > >I don't understand "you don't get it". It is just the flick of a switch or >the twist of a dial? Nothing complicated. The need for air conditioning at >this time of year is somewhat uncommon (our tempeture has been high 80s up to >90 the past few days, that is not exactly normal), but getting the air turned >on is no big deal. What am I missing Er... you're missing the fact that the UK doesn't (as a general rule) get as hot during the summer as the US, and even when it does get hot, the hot weather doesn't last as long (usually, only a few weeks in August). So a lot of buildings don't have air-conditioning installed - it's simply not worth it. It's just a case of opening the windows and turning on a fan! And now for something completely different... Daniel from Oz (where it also gets pretty hot and I bet they have air conditioning in nearly every building!) asked about other CCM lists. I don't know of any specific artist lists, but a good place to look them up is at http://www.liszt.com - this has an index of most of the lists available for absolutely anything. You might well find one there that you're looking for. Also, you might be interested in the Cross Rhythms List. This is a UK based general CCM list, but we have list members from the US and Europe as well, so I'm sure we won't mind a few Aussies joing up! To subscribe, send an email with BLANK subject to music@lists.crossrhythms.co.uk, with just one word: 'subscribe' (without the quotes) in the body. Or email me, and I'll subscribe you manually. And finally... To try and bring this back to some relevence to Iona, my five favourite tracks are: The Island (I) Irish Day (JITM) Kells Theme (BOK) Treasure (BTS) Ch-Rho (BOK) Mark -- Visit Mark's World at http://www.good-stuff.co.uk/mark/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:22:29 +0200 From: Vaughan Granier Subject: iona Christian Music On-Line I have a few pages bookmarked out there : http://www.avn.net/vwbug/music/ http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~96tjm/delirious.html http://www.wwug.com/iona/ http://www.zip.com.au/~jubilee/ http://www.gospel.it/iona/ http://michaelcard.com/ http://www.ccmcom.com/ http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~williamb/mullins.html http://www.fish.com/music/bruce_cockburn.html Have fun. VAUGHAN Go lasa an ghlo/ir De/ cosa/n as do chuid am ata/ caite chuig do thodhchai/, agus go raibh an t-am i la/thair gan sca/th i la/thair A a/illeacht. "May God's glory light a path from your past into your future, and may your present be shadowless in the presence of His beauty." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:36:00 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Frank Blades Subject: iona Re: erm...something >Subject: RE: iona Re; Firkin Iona Gig, Bristol > >Frank blades wrote > >There was no impetus or build-up to the >performance, and I am afraid that When I Survey as a >closing number may go down well at the more religious >venues, but it was a lousy finale for the secular >rock crowd at the Fleece. > >Iona are a Christian band , why ask them to be schizophrenic and wear one >face for secular people and another for believers? Well, it is all a matter of appeal. If they just want to play to christian audiences, then that is all good and well, but they will always have a limited appeal - and the christian "sector" (for want of another word) is much more limited in size and vocifity (great word - does it exist?!?) in the UK. Here they are a "progressive folk" band targetted at the folk and prog crowds. The christian thing is of secondary interest for the most part. I feel that if Iona want to play to a wider audience then they may have to change the set round to appeal to the lowest common denominator. And it is not really "selling out". A lot of up-coming bands will switch their sets round to appeal to the audience - Mastermind did it when they toured here in the summer, Mythical Beasts do it all the time - sometimes a folky gig if it is a folky crowd, other times a rocky set if it is a rock crowd. At the end of the day you want as many people as possible to enjoy the gig, come back again and buy the records. I felt that they did not built up the set in any way. It was rather bitty...and When I Survey may go down well with a predominately christain audience in the States, but I felt it was a bit of a damp squib in Bristol. In saying that they could have got away with switching the two encores and played When I Survey first, and then finished on an up-beat song. Like I said though, it is just my opinion. cheers Frank ------------------------------------------------- Frank Blades avebury@geocities.com ------------------------------------------------- Why not check out Alternate View, the UK Progressive Music Webzine at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6565 ------------------------------ End of iona-digest V97 #11 ************************** ______________ To unsubscribe send an e-mail command to musictus@musictus.com In the body of the message type ONLY the following: unsubscribe iona-digest or visit http://www.gospel.it/iona/mailingl.html